Howard High School (Delaware) Your thoughts?

Police ID student reportedly beaten to death inside Wilmington high school

Witness tells me fight was one on one then others jumped victim. Victim hit head on sink then lost consciousness. pic.twitter.com/cKEOB8OvJp — Chad Pradelli (@chadpradelli) April 21, 2016

Obvious the girls weren’t out to kill her but though she hit her head on sink as a results being jumped by others we should be talking manslaughter charges. This crime can’t go unpunished! Sorry doesn’t cut it!

So where do we point the finger? The morals and ethics of our society degrades with each new generation. We’ve spent millions upon millions on Race to The Top, Common Core Standards and The Smarter Balanced Assessment. None of these programs have made schools safer! 

Long ago back when Baby Kilroy was attending Conrad Middle School they had the conflict resolution program. We had Peter Naylor and his wonder dog at Richey Schools teacher elementary students about personal boundaries.

Hopefully all the details of events of the Howard High incident will be made public. All schools need conflict resolution programs were students and address their differences and bitch it out if need be! Peer pressure from the circle that forms around two individuals often sets the path to negative outcomes. If one crew real caries about one of their own they shouldn’t egg them on to fight! Yea yea I know, dog eat dog world and only the strong survives! Howard will be scarred for many years and this graduation year will be the saddest!

Little brothers and sisters of Howard! Chill the fuck out and come together and demand a conflict resolution program. Do it for Amy Francis-Joyner. As for those who were just witnesses, you’ll carry the sights and sounds the rest of your lives. As for those who will be charged with crimes, the ignorance that led you down the hateful path is sad and pitiful. Sure it wasn’t suppose to end like that but it did! To others within, there is no need for street justice aka an eye for an eye! The world you live in sucks and if you don’t help break the cycle your community will never be free.   

     

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53 responses to “Howard High School (Delaware) Your thoughts?

  1. lastDEconservative

    “Society brought murder to the school,” says John over on a topic pre-thread.

    Rather simplistic, but correct on its face. Once again, the test is, “what’s really going on here?” Once again, the failing will be NOT addressing the test question. Bring your lawn chair, the parade of Kwacko-esque founders of the feast will be too long to view in comfort while standing. The progenitors of the mayhem will preen and harrumph and wring their hands in hypocritical empathy with those living with the demise of the society said progenitors have created. And, once again, thanks to a hundred years of successful progressivism, exemplified no better than by the diminution of classroom schooling (not education) to its current state, our present day perpetrators of destruction will “get away with it.” They will appoint a commission, set up a study group, congratulate themselves, pose for the sycophantic media, and return to regularly scheduled programming.

    Cue the perps …

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  2. lastDEconservative

    Surprise! Kilroy’s surprisingly short treatise ends with forgiveness for the murderers: “The world you live in sucks … “.

    Under “even a stopped clock … “, Kilroy opines: “The morals and ethics of our society degrades with each new generation.” Of course, that’s the end of it, no pointing to the reasons or the perpetrators behind the accurate if incomplete statement. “But, last, he swiped at Common Core and … “. Yawn. Symptoms, denizens, symptoms. Who put Common Core and the rest in place, and much more importantly, what did the cowardly lot of them NOT do while putting CC and all the rest in place, by force? HUH? Just what ARE the adults supposed to do vis a vis our kids? Where on the list does indoctrination fall? Where on the list does ACT LIKE ADULTS fall?

    Conflict resolution in the day of baby Kilroy? Puke. In the day of baby last, we had conflict resolution, yeah. Chapter one was Prevention by Fear. Assistant Principal paddlings were scheduled during boys gym class for full effect. Chapter two was “see ya,” “adios muchacho,” “auf wiedersehen.”

    So, let’s get back to charter bashing. Surely Angos and Co. can come up with statistics before and after Howard’s brain drain these last few years to prove that the families that bugged out led to this.

    And here it is mid afternoon of the day after the day of, and Kwacko hasn’t harrumphed in. Oh, right, there’s probably still a camera crew at the scene.

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  3. It’s not the teachers or administrators or testing or any other edu speak contingencies at fault here. It’s the parents, neighbors, friends, and community they are raised in. Period. No one is born with hatred and anger and violence. They are taught it.

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  4. It’s not the fault of teachers, administrators, tests, common core, etc. the blame falls on the shoulders of the parents, neighbors, friends, family, and community they grow up in. Remeber the video a couple of years ago of the moms having their kids fight and video taping it – that’s the cause.

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  5. Josiah Andrews

    Arthur, you are absolutely correct! Those fucking bitches who beat her should die, as should the pieces of shit who video taped it.

    Society is a bunch of pussies, so they will not get real consequences for their despicable behavior. They will pull the race card, and being poor, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah bullshit.

    Well, I am a black man, and these little thugs are straight up criminals who need to die for their actions. You can’t rehabilitate that kind of heartless behavior. If the law doesn’t kill them, then I hope that someone else does. They are worthless pieces of shit. Whether or not they intended to kill Amy or not is irrelevant. They did kill her, so they need to pay.

    And people blaming the fucking teachers…WTF? What a bunch of morons! Since when can’t someone go into a fucking bathroom to take a piss or a shit??? Teachers are teaching, not monitoring the God damn bathrooms. Hell, if they monitor the bathroom too closely, they are called fucking perverts. When does the blame stop being dropped on the teacher and start being placed where it belongs……THE FUCKED UP ASSHOLE PARENTS AND THEIR EVEN MORE FUCKED UP ASSHOLE GODLESS KIDS deserve all of the blame!

    Sorry for the language, but my family has known Amy for several years and we want justice. The only justice as we see it is death to the scumbums who killed her, and to those who watched them do it.

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    • lastDEconservative

      Josiah, shorter, as to the cause … GODLESS.

      Amen, brother. When the destroyers set out on their mission, it was not by chance they started with removing God from the public square in all its manifestations, including and especially the schools, where along with all the rest, they have taught that the capital S State knows best — better than you yourself, better than mom and dad — so after 5 generations, today’s kids (many, not all) have little at home in the way of role models, and less so at the bastions of political correctness and Godlessness, the leviathan govt schooling (not education) system.

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  6. When the only message our American corporate media reports is that the winning Republican presidential candidate publicly encourages the return of lynchings and mob rule… it is not unrealistic to expect teenage girls to follow his lead…..

    Only when the Republican party is completely destroyed, plowed under with salt, and scattered to the four corners of the Apocalypse, can we ever return to normal…

    Anyone who’s ever voted for a Republican, … we are reaping what you have sowed….

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    • What? I bet $50 they KILLERS can’t even spell Republican……

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    • Josiah Andrews

      Kapvis, you Sir, are a mental midget! This is neither a Republican, nor a Democratic issue. Please do not politicize this tragedy. Stupid comments like you just made have not a damn thing to do with the brutal slaying of someone’s daughter. Save your fucktarded platform for political issues, and do not desecrate the memory of this young lady or try to excuse the behavior of the thugs who murdered her.

      In short, DON’T BE A JACKASS!

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    • Publius e decere

      I think Josiah nailed this one. Kavips is wrong. This terribly sad death doesn’t need stupid political comments.

      As Josiah said earlier above, there are no excuses here. Whether or not they intended to kill Amy or not is irrelevant, they did kill her as the result of what appears to be intentional and extreme physical assault. Adult consequences — to the fullest extent of the law — should be the response.

      Take a deep breath. Say a prayer.

      Publius

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    • Josiah, I have since read your original comment (above mine) and must say, we totally agree on this incident. My short comment to which you responded did not even come close to show how I felt; it may have seemed shallow and I cannot blame you for reacting the way you did.

      What your other comment did say you wished for, exactly echoed my reaction as well.

      With hindsight, I should have guessed some might see or impinge my comment as political. Of course I understand.

      Which is why I think it needs more explanation.

      Whereas you reacted (as did I) to the perpetrators who did this to Amy, in your comment you expressed the desire for justice to counter the wrong that occurred in this case.

      You want to see a wrong righted by very harsh punishment dealt out to those who did this.

      We agree on this. but I went one step further… Amy’s death has no point unless something very good comes out of this. We have to make sure that we somehow stop this type of thing from this point onward.

      You knew her, I’ve met her; she was a marvelous human being who had so much potential to make the world a far better place than the world she unfortunately was born into.

      Your anger is directed at those who caused this action. My anger was directed at the greater cause, the cause one that elevates such actions her bullies used, as being grown up: bullying, winning, punching, stabbing, killing, all of which are humanized in the bodily form of one American political party’s MOST FAVORED candidate for the office of the president of the United States of America…

      One cannot really blame Donald for his actions or inflammatory statements. He is winning so obviously it IS what is necessary to grab the votes of that party which is choosing him… So the problem is not Donald Trump. The problem is not what he is saying… THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL BE ENDORSING HIM AS THEIR CHOICE FOR THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA because he, of all the candidates, best represents THEIR values.

      It is in this world, we place our kids… They suck up what they hear, and if they hear hate, bullying, getting famous by being totally outrageous, that is what they will rise to….

      There will be more Amys and more, and more, and more, and more, unless we step up to take care of the REAL problem….

      What my statement was offering was a real step to address that problem and to fix it… To fix it for good, and by a political wipe-out, for the next 60 years keep bullying from being idolized as one of our finer human traits at it is currently being viewed by the majority in one of our political parties. Of course, since it involves “voting” some could have easily misinterpreted it as a cheap political statement putting one party over another…. To my chagrin, that is far beneath what I was hoping to achieve.

      it was meant to be a single constructive step that everyone could take to turn America into a more moral and thoughtful nation; one which would levy a hefty punishment directly on those who express a mentality that chooses the worship of money (or YouTube hits), over human lives.

      Whereas you see a gang of girls who need to be punished. I went beyond that to see the real cause as to why they decided she had to die, and addressed what needs to happen to make sure this will not happen to someone else……especially to someone a lot like Amy, who tries to do what is right, live by the rules, and live the way Jesus told us all we should live.

      We are both in agreement that Amy’s death must be counteracted and those responsible must be held accountable. You are pursuing your path… I am mine…

      And if you look far beyond anything political…. the only way this nation will ever get better in this regard, is to punish those who put money’s value (or YouTube hits) over the quality of lives of their fellow human beings…. That was the message of Jesus in his time; it is still true today. it is rare, but sometimes the best way to achieve that very action in a democracy, is by voting out an entire bad party for something else….

      It is the equivalent of replacing Pottersville with Bedford Falls…. Amy’s legacy deserves something that huge and amazing….

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  7. That’s a pretty big leap, Kilroy, to know the intent of the attackers. I can’t, for the life of me, understand how you drew that conclusion, Kilroy (“obviously”…really?). If you are pummeling a person, it’s not so that they feel better. There is an intent of grave physical harm. Perhaps you haven’t seen a street fight in a long time and your memory is lacking. I have heard children (teenagers) say, “I’m going to kill you.” It’s irresponsible of you to say that you know the intent of the attackers. Perhaps they did intend to kill. It’s not as though murder is an unheard of thing in the city of Wilmington. That said, perhaps my comment that society brought murder to the school was simplistic. But it was accurate nonetheless. There are plenty of simplistic comments being made around here, but at least mine was accurate. The cause of this attack is not complex though. Children are either brought up to be decent people, by their parents, or they are not. And if the latter case, teachers and other decent people, try to teach it in schools. But don’t expect teachers to change all of the children (they do change some) who are not brought up to be decent people in the first place. I’ve seen children’s hearts change because of teachers. But it is at home where the heart is really forged, where values are taught (or not), and where right is firmly distinguished from wrong. These attackers’ hearts were not saved by teachers. There is no Superman who can change every heart. We do what we can, on the front lines of a very wicked world, in an uphill battle steeper than anyone in their high perches can imagine. Ask yourselves, all of you, what have you done today, or this week, or this month, to make this a better world, to change people’s hearts, to teach children to read, to teach children to discover the goodness of the world? What have you done? Some comments I’ve read here are just pathetically ridiculous. Others are thoughtful. But truthfully, are you making a difference?

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  8. @ kilroy “Obvious the girls weren’t out to kill her… ”
    Sorry, but reliable information coming out indicates weapons were involved, injuries occurred before the head striking the sink and this wasn’t just some random meeting in the bathroom.

    Comments from other Howard students don’t lend themselves to the belief these are once in a blue moon occurrences.:
    “There’s ongoing bullying all the time. This is not the first incident,” Downey said.
    “People were laughing. ‘Oh, somebody got jumped, just another fight.’ But it was a lot more serious than that,” Lloyd said.”
    “It did surprise me because I’m so use to kids fighting. But I never expected for someone to fight so badly to the point where they actually pass. That’s really sad,” Lloyd said. “To be a part of this generation is kind of a disgrace, where people are actually beating each other to the point where you’re almost killing someone. That’s not something to be proud of at all. I don’t want to be a part of this generation. I wish I could get out of this area of Delaware.”
    “I know bad things do happen here, but I didn’t think nothing that serious would ever happen,” Zurita said.

    My sincere sympathies to all the families involved. The events are heart wrenching.
    Kilroy, I address this gently to you. When you claim there are racist motivations to why people object to busing or the neighborhood schools act, I reject that accusation. That is not the majority opinion. The NSA and interest to have educational opportunities is about behavior and parents’ interest to have their children go to school without this sort of drama. Whether they are Wilmingtonians, North Star residents, or Newark residents, students should not have to be exposed to this sort of behavior. How to prevent it lies in demanding behavior is upheld and empowering schools and districts to enforce it. Conflict resolution programs are hardly a replacement for parental discipline and pink haired girl’s lawsuit should not dictate discipline.

    Again my deepest sympathies to the families affected by the recent events.

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  9. “Whether or not they intended to kill Amy or not is irrelevant” – I think the judge might give the jury different instructions. Actually I’m certain the judge would not state, “Jury, it doesn’t matter what their intent was.” It is absolutely relevant, and will play a major role in the charges. I’m sure you meant something else. And I respect what you’re getting at. She’s dead…this banter isn’t bringing her back. But after the dust settles, it most certainly matters. And for Kilroy to state, “obviously these girls weren’t out to kill her” is, at this point, unknown to the public. Strike the word obviously, and replace with “it’s possible that” or “maybe” or “we don’t know”.

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  10. Publius e decere

    As best stated by Kathy Demarest:

    1. “… it is disappointing that you [the not-Kilroy blogger] presumed that we [the NCCVT district] decided to change the school board meeting time and location in order to prevent access to the public. … As you can imagine, or perhaps you cannot, the first two days were spent doing everything that could be done to support Amy’s [the deceased’s] family, to provide supports for our Howard students and staff, and to communicate with students, parents, and the greater community the details as we knew them, while this horrible tragedy was evolving. ”
    2. “It was certainly disheartening to see your [the not-Kilroy blogger] post, when all are trying to make the best decisions possible during this unspeakable and evolving personal crisis for the Joyner-Francis family, and a school-wide crisis for the Howard community. Perhaps you [the not-Kilroy blogger] should have asked before you presumed the worst.

    “Intention” might have legal standing. Among lawyers. But let me ask y’all this: If a blogger were to punch me because of his anger about my righteous opinions … and then I were to find that his punch had killed me, would that in any way excuse him from my death? He was he simply “understandably emotional”, was he only reacting to his perception of my ignorance, or to his perception of my attitude (aka, Tude)?

    You know what? I am dead I this case., He isn’t. Where should the law leave this? Oh well? Or should “actions have consequences”?

    You can’t excuse yourselves from the query game, you are in it.

    Publius

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  11. You left out this:
    ” I used to reach out, many times, and I am usually ignored. So I stopped doing so a while ago. I get information from a lot of people, and while you were disheartened with my article, that was the impression many folks had prior to my writing it.” (Kevin)
    So fucking typical Kevin. Seriously.

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    • Publius e decere

      A beautiful extraction from a beautiful blog commenter. Thank you for the capstone to the theme.

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    • P & P, this is one side of the story. I can’t publish my other sources because they would be fired! But as usual, you take the adult authority’s voice as one of truth. Neither of you have any idea of what is going on with all this. While the school didn’t deliver the final blow, it set it all up. The school needs to be charged w/gross negligence. But any chance for you to take a shot at me Publius… And don’t worry your neatly combed hair about it HC. Your “righteous opinions”, on your best day, show you for the complete self-absorbed idiot you are. I wouldn’t have to ever touch you, your words do more damage to you than anything anyone could ever do.

      And here comes Pencadermom, back at last! Praise God Publius has his partner back. You wouldn’t know typical if it was staring at you in the face. You have no clue what you are even talking about.

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    • So kevin, the school should be charged that two students planned to meet in the bathroom to fight over a boy? The school should be charged because the girl who was losing the fight had girlfriends carrying knives? The school should be charged for the girlfriends who then ganged up on the girl who they stabbed and then forced down striking her head on the way down? The school should be charged? Really??? Pot meet clueless kettle. You just don’t get it. Well done,-not.

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    • M Ryder, if this is true then the school and the Wilmington P.D. outright lied to the public in stating there were no weapons involved. I’m not sure how you know this information but I assume you are speaking from some point of credibility here.

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    • KO – let me get this straight, you’re saying the school (admins, teachers, paras, staff, etc) is to blame here because what, they didnt have guards or monitors in the bathroom? they didnt consult the long island medium as to when/where the manslaughter was going to occur?

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    • Arthur, that’s not what I’m saying at all. The ultimate blame falls on the perpetrators of the act. The murderers. But we can, and should, take a look at the environment where something like this takes place. Teachers were in their PLCs or professional development when this began. Students were allowed in the building at 7:15am and the fight happened at 8:15. Amy got there around 8:45 according to several people. Hall monitors, if they get there on time or if at all, should not be in charge of hundreds of students who are roaming around the halls of the school for anywhere from thirty minutes to an hour. Fights have happened there before. What I’m saying is the administrators in the school and district should not be having students running around unsupervised while teachers fill out more data for the state and district. That is a recipe for disaster. Had there been adequate supervision, I’m sure the sight of many teenage girls running into a bathroom all at once would cause many teachers to rush to the scene faster. And perhaps it may not have went down the way it did. So yes, I am blaming the district for that aspect to this. And this isn’t just Howard. It is many schools in our state. What happened to Amy at this school could happen in MANY of our schools. We need to pinpoint these red flags and act on them. School officials can’t control what goes on outside of schools, but you better be damn sure they can and should control what does go on inside their halls. And that starts at the top. Superintendent down to the building administrators. This would be different if teachers were standing in their doorways watching the students.

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  12. As far as intent. In my opinion, I would highly doubt their intent was to kill this young lady. But I’m not sure how much that should matter. Let’s us drunk driver’s as an analogy. What are Kilroys thoughts on that? I’m guessing that death by drunk driver would be close to 100% not intentional. Sorry, that doesn’t make it any less than 100% responsible. We need laws changed. Kids will continue to fight aggressively until we start kicking them out of school.. once their their parents know the rules, getting kicked out for fighting, they might starting having conversations with their kids about this. Don’t let this beautiful young lady die in vain. Fight for change.

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  13. After what I’ve seen and read today, I’ve changed my opinion on the intent thing. And I”m sickened. And scared for my children’s generation. How many kids are out there with no moral compass? Did any of you read the girls posting on instagram ( or whatever social media it was on) One of the girls in the fight. Animals.

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    • Publius e decere

      “How many kids are out there with no moral compass?”

      We hope there are not many such kids. But for the few, clear expectations and firm consequences are the best which society can deliver.

      For the critics of school adults, what exactly would you have done differently?

      Publius

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    • lastDEconservative

      “For the critics of school adults, what exactly would you have done differently?”

      Do you mean besides having long since banished the perps following earlier displays of conduct suggesting such escalation might follow?

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    • lastDEconservative

      Hey, mom, great to see you back amongst the denizens.

      “How many kids are out there with no moral compass?”

      Better:

      Why are some kids out there with no moral compass?

      Better, but for the fact that we all know the reasons. A few of us (adults) are willing and wont to recite them, most aren’t. You know what sickened me today, mom? Target. Yeah, the retailer. The spiral to oblivion picks up steam daily, it seems, hastened by not just individual, but institutional abandonment of morality, judgement, Biblical principles, and for those of you whose hair just spontaneously combusted, plain ol’ common sense.

      Watch this get worse. As the multitudes of KOs gather and the lawsuits form, the line of those crying for social justice (meaning I’ll get my ticket punched this time, AND sock it to the man) will lengthen in the name of the deceased, in reality forgotten.

      Wait till you have grands, mom. Words are wholly inadequate to describe what you find within yourself when they present. Fear of them going to the bathroom to perform a perfectly natural act at school or in Target in the face of immeasurable evil is completely, well, unnatural. It will age you more than the mess your own kids face daily ages you.

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    • lastDEconservative

      An edit.

      “Fear of them going to the bathroom to perform a perfectly natural act at school or in Target in the face of immeasurable AND UNOPPOSED evil is completely, well, unnatural.”

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    • Publius e decere

      Now LDC, you know that “banishments” have been banished. The Kritics stump for forbearance. In unlimited doses. To be funded by “immoral” shekels earned by “others”. The Kritics incite their Kin to Konfiscate this coin — through the power of the State — and with a pitch perfect rejection of work ethic — on the Korrupt assumption that they can buy equality with someone else’s coin. Right after they pillory the same power of the State for the so-called punishing steps toward measuring whether or not the Konfiscated coin is generating actual schooling results in exchange for their fiat of fancy.

      So sayeth Publius in honor of the tortured rhythms of the Fool representative and the acolytes which run in its vitriolic exhaust.

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  15. Kevin, does control what happens in their schools include expulsion regardless of age, background etc of the student? If not then I call bullshit on you. If you get elected you will sit and ultimately vote on expulsions…the ones that make it to you.
    Students in many school districts are out of control, discipline is an after thought. CSD did away with zero tolerance (and a code of conduct altogether) because the stupid admins treated a cake knife in a first graders hand the way they would treat a switch blade in in he hands of a 18 year old four time freshman.
    It is no wonder the charter folks can go to higher ground…who wants animals, uncaged and with a satchel full of civil rights and a boatload of advocates fighting for them…. I only ask what to do with this growing class of industry kids (childbirth is an industry).
    LDC says labor camps….he is the only one to offer a solution.it probably is unconstitutional but his ilk isn’t a big fan of those pesky old dusty documents…solutions people what do we do with these kids. It’s unfair to judge TPS who have to deal with these animals on an unlevel playing field

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    • Okay Break, the very first suggestion I would give is to not call students “animals”. It tells me that there is a preconceived notion already set in your mind that they are an uncontrollable beast and therefore cannot be controlled. I think there is a firm middle ground between zero tolerance and no discipline. Here is a thought: invest more resources into more adults in the schools over having teachers waste a considerable amount of time (which directly translates into money) on things like “professional development”. I’m not going to sit here and pretend I have a definitive answer about what to do with students who are out of control. Except to say if some schools are doing it right and they aren’t having these issues with THE SAME student population, then we need to find out what they are doing and emulate it. If none of them are with THE SAME population, then we all need to have a no holds barred talk with all stakeholders: parents, teachers, admins, and students and find out what is going on. It doesn’t help when this insane culture of filming fights and putting them up on social media is acceptable. Facebook will ban you if you put up a parent bill of rights, but people beating the crap out of each other is okay? There is something really jacked up with that picture. And yes, I will agree with something LDC said, and that is a “Godless” culture. That can mean whatever you want it to mean, but there has been a huge shift between my generation and this one. For many of these kids, this street culture is the only thing they know. And they bring it into our schools. Where are the parents? As I’ve said since this began, the fault lies with the perpetrators. But allowing an environment for it to happen is also a key issue. It isn’t about charters taking the “high ground”. If they have the same student populations (and that is the key question here) and they aren’t having these issues then we need to find out what they are doing. I hate to ask this, and no one has brought it up that I have seen, but did any of the perpetrators have an IEP? Do they have a disability that is being ignored at home and/or school? Are they on medicine and if so, is it the right medicine? I don’t ask this as an excuse for what happened to Amy. But are we looking at all angles on this? To simply say “they are animals” is disingenuous to the problem. What are your solutions Break?

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  16. Kevin a couple of things: the IEP has become a get out of jail free card. An IEP should not be an excuse for anti-social and deviant behavior, yet it is used in this manner everyday. Second, the schools are dealing with things they are not designed to deal with… They are a societal problem not a public education problem, admittedly this gives full credibility to LDCs work camp idea. As for the animal comment…. Sorry if I offended my fury friends for they actually maintain social order and civility within their species.

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  17. Remember I advocate a full scale emigration plan…we are not as different as you think. I’m just up front about the real issue.

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  18. Many people forget that within special education, there are Emotionally Disturbed, ED kids. I have no idea if these girls are ED. Yet, in schools, there is a lack of resources: therapy counselors, behavior specialists – people who are trained to guide such behaviors. There is such a great concern for LRE without concern to other students and leaving the ED students unhelped as a part of the classroom. Behavior plans (BIP) is written to make make policy flexible for student sucees. In this situation, no one in the community will be be interested in modifying a behavior plan. There is also another challenge schools face, students with substance abuse problems. Readers might chuckle and say these are calm kids. However, withdrawal produces a very frustrated, depressed kid who returns to smoking. There are students who live in heroin environments.

    Students in high school have very different needs at this point on life progression. I respect certain charters who acknowledge those needs and are committed to closing the gap. It seems reform has missed the point. Closing the gap will not be answered by testing. Closing the gap starts with the whole child. In addition, a school’s first goal is pride of community. If test scores remain the first goal of admin, we lose the goal of best for students. Thise young girls, for whatever reason, needed more than learning instruction and a school counselor could provide.

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  19. Why is it the schools responsibility to provide services that are so far removed from what the schools real purpose is? Schools teach readin, ritin’ and rithmetic…. The rest is family provided …schools should not bare that responsibility…. Students at Howard who have been taught necessary morals and values at home were nowhere near that bathroom…on the other hand animals that have not been raised properly where there to witness and tape the show. The former will move on from this, attend college, pay taxes and hopefully get out of that city. The later will continue to drain society…

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    • Great point. I am not sure that the schools ever signed up for the responsibility. It just happens. Students… young people who are still developing have developmental needs. Often, people see school from the adult perspective, “you go, you learn, you graduate.” This leaves out all the other issues of maturity, condfidence, cognition, frustration and maturity that you meet on the path to adulthood. Most of the students are able to get their needs met to get a diploma. However, there are groups of students who can not. In the old day, those kids dropped out. Now, research explains the earlier you fix that issue, the better for society and tax cost. Unfortunately, no one made a plan to fix those students who are ED have other concerns that often block learning. Students with substance abuse are also

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    My point is that it is necessary to be real about what is going on in schools. Certain kids needs much more help. Homogeneous grouping is frustrating parents. I certainly dont care for my child to sit on class with disruptive ED students or students who are high. Teens dont like the idea of different rules for different people. Johnny can be reprimanded for taking a call in class durle to his BIP but your child texting gets an in school suspension. This causes a huge division in schools and communitiesm

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  21. Pencadermom

    My guess is that you would have to be emotionally disturbed to be able to gang up on someone and smash their head against a sink. There’s physical fighting, something many teens and others have done, and then there’s whatever you want to call this. I call it murder.

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  22. Pencadermom

    Why is it that there is a ‘lack of therapy counselors and behavior specialists’? Why is this responsibility on the schools? If that case, then there’s a lack of shoe stores and in the schools too.

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  23. Pencadermom, when students are determined “ED,” services are now to be provided by the school so these students are able to assimilate into classrooms. This is not an opinion. It is school law. A school is in violation and reprimanded by state when services arent met. And yes, some kids dont have shoes or Christmas gifts or prom gowns or other non instruction needs but often faculty pitches in for those things. It seems to become part of the job. Schools realistically are having a horrid time stretching from meeting needs of Advanced Placement, athletics, music and arts, special needs of students AND smarter balanced testing. Times have really changed.

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    • Pencadermom

      I get all that. I knew all that. And I get that maybe if the schools weren’t responsibile for trying to raise kids, maybe they could teach effectively and we wouldn’t have kids who read at a forth grade level and can’t do 7th grade math graduating from high school. Maybe we wouldn’t have so many people, like me, writing such long run on sentences. 😜

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    • lastDEconservative

      Times HAVE really changed. The world didn’t used to be littered with apologists like our new denizen here, let alone legions of such as the subject of her pathos. Scattered here and yon, sure, always, but not in control of outcomes. Tolerated, yes, by a Christian majority; celebrated, no, by virtue of wise discernment. Putting the genie back in the bottle is a tall order, but one that must be managed if we are to survive.

      2 points to mom for the shoe store thing. Couldna done better myself. Huzzah.

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    • ancora:
      “services are now to be provided by the school so these students are able to assimilate into classrooms. This is not an opinion. It is school law. A school is in violation and reprimanded by state when services aren’t met.”
      And what if they can’t assimilate? What if their presence does a disservice and threatens or diminishes educational opportunities of the OTHER students? Does the “law” adequately address how a school, administrator, educator should deal with the mess left by a legislator’s law?
      These services of which you list have been instituted by legislators whose normal modus operandi is to pass laws with the best of intentions (read: feel good) with the resulting unintended consequences being left for those that must deal with consequences: the schools and educational staff. If a school is not providing a safe or aptitude appropriate environment, what should happen to the school? Shouldn’t that be a violation? If the inclusion of inappropriate students creates a non-educable situation, is the school in compliance? If the inclusion of disruptive or maladjusted students prevents, slows progress of or prevents an educator from actually teaching, is the school in compliance?

      “Homogeneous grouping is frustrating parents.”
      NO, it is theft of educational opportunities and should be removed from educational practice. In an educational environment, it is a form of theft by preventing the appropriate education for those capable of it. We no longer have one room school houses because children need age and ability level education. Allowing homogeneous mixing diminishes the avenues open to an educator and prevents the students who can do more, from ever reaching their capability.

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    • Publius e decere

      If “ancora imparo” really is “still learning”, then maybe she could learn by teaching. Tell us again how the “ED” label applies here. Last time I checked, the best spokesman for ED was, well, Bob Dole. But I digress. Instead, let’s look at Delaware regulations in section 922 Children With Disabilities:

      ———————————-
      “Emotional Disturbance” means a condition exhibiting one (1) or more of the following characteristics over a long period of time and to a marked degree that adversely affects a child’s educational performance:
      ….. an inability to learn that cannot be explained by intellectual, sensory, or health factors;
      ….. an inability to build or maintain satisfactory interpersonal relationships with peers and teachers;
      ….. inappropriate types of behavior or feelings under normal circumstances;
      ….. a general pervasive mood of unhappiness or depression; or
      ….. a tendency to develop physical symptoms or fears associated with personal or school problems.
      Emotional disturbance includes schizophrenia.
      The term does not apply to children who are socially maladjusted, unless it is determined that they have an emotional disturbance as defined in this section
      ——————————–

      So what have we here? Long period of time. Marked degree. Social maladjustment doesn’t qualify. Nor do intellectual factors. Schizophrenia is the illustrative example.

      Given the legal definition, ancora, how could ED go undetected until it results in lethal action? Maybe our good buddy The NQC could channel his Inner Bob Dole and tell us. Right after he reads the part in the law about Visual Impairment.

      Or maybe ED is not an explanation here. Maybe it was plain old meanness and bullying gone horribly wrong.

      Publius

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    • Some people don’t need to look up “ED” to determine what it means. I would say as a former school board member you should know exactly what it means, but I’m sure the “great school” weeded out any potential “ED” students before they could tarnish the oh so great and sterling reputation they have… Keep coming up with nicknames for me Henry Clampitt and I will keep calling you out by your real name. Keep it up. Your choice buddy…

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    • Publius e decere

      So sad to watch you be so wrong. I keep telling you and you keep guessing wrong anyway. A sure sign of something. Got to love it.

      One thing for sure though, you respond to the slightest of provocations. Like Pavlov’s Pup. Pretty much making the case for The NQC.

      The nice thing about your fixation is that you are certain to look no further. Which is “so” like you. So you’ve missed all of the signs. Including the sign in the front yard. Which narrows it down to a few thousand wild guesses with the help of your local Realtor.

      Publius “Hidden In Plain Sight” Valerius

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    • You really aren’t fooling anyone Henry. You can dance around it with your sarcasm and wit, but anyone who follows this crap knows exactly who you are. I understand, you have to put up appearances. But since you seem to want to target me lately as much as you possibly can, I’ll keep calling you Henry Clampitt. You will never admit it. But I truly don’t care. I understand this is probably the one area in your life where you feel like you truly belong. Which is sad in itself. But dude, how is it working out for you? Has your life become better for your constant needling and not-so-smart one-liners? I have no doubt it gives you an immense amount of satisfaction. We all have our vices. I just feel sorry for you…

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    • lastDEconservative

      “Does the “law” adequately address how a school, administrator, educator should deal with the mess left by a legislator’s law?”

      This is why I want to have M’s children. Yours truly beats this nearly dead horse almost every post. This incisive question could – should – become the basis of a political party, a movement, advancing beyond being one of my raisons d’etre. Brevity is indeed …

      Ayn Rand worthy, M. My hat is off.

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    • Publius e decere

      Of course the fault lies in the presumption. Ancora non Imparo starts with the premise that all can be explained by circumstances beyond the reasonable control of the individual. Which is a small leap to providing an excuse for the same. But “the law” is clear in excluding social maladjustment from the topic. In cases of clear and extreme social maladjustment — manifest in meanness and threats leading to willful assault, battery, trauma and death — I think the law was best stated on Hawaii Five-O: Book ’em, Danno.

      Publius

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  24. Pencadermom

    Thanks. Minus the typos I”m sure. 🙂 The price I pay for trying to type on a phone keyboard. Not sure how kids can type 60+ words a minute on those things.

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    • lastDEconservative

      Which is why Sokola might have to mount a campaign after all against little Miss.

      By the way, a little reminder of Sokola’s brand of politickin’. A neighbor who ran as an R challenger to his nibs two re-districtings back came within striking distance of taking the seat. Given the setup, do I even need to say we’re no longer in that Senate District? I wonder if Mz Quixote is familiar with that aspect of the game. Sis boom bah, do ray rah! Draw that line! DRAW THAT LINE!

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