Red Clay school safety procedure is risky re: gun found in student possession! Call police after the fact ?

Boy, 16, arrested for bringing gun to Dickinson High Brittany Horn, The News Journal

A 16-year-old boy was arrested and jailed Tuesday after bringing a handgun to school and showing other students, state police said.

Administrators then removed the 16-year-old from his class and searched his backpack, where they found a .25-caliber handgun that was not loaded, Hale said

Shortly after, a school resource officer was called and the student was taken into custody in Milltown, he added.

According to this News Journal report, the school administrator took action on his own and then summoned the school’s SRO. Was the administrator informed, the student may have a gun or did have a gun? If so, he should have called for the SRO before confronting the student. Sure the administrator comes across as the hero of the day and might even get his picture taken with Merv and Kenny at the next board meeting. However, is this the procedure? If there is a report of a gun in school the school administrator determines if the SRO should summoned. Find the gun and then call?  I am not sure where the SRO was located or even if he was in the building. However, what would of happened if that student pulled the gun out when confronted by the administrator ?

Ammunition for the gun was not found and the high school was not placed in lockdown status.

And in comes Publius to most likely to say, relax Kilroy, don’t get worked up, the gun wasn’t loaded!

On Thursday, officers responded to the same high school after two teens pulled a gun on another student after hours on campus. The two have since been released after posting bail, and face numerous charges.

I wonder, the student who brought the gun to school had anything to do with this incident or was possibly in danger? If it was after and assuming the school was closed, what was the “student” doing there? And if there were after school activities going on, it wouldn’t be after hours.

I feel my concern is valid re: were safety policies followed. One would think, rumor of gun in school would require call police first! HOWEVER, the New Journal didn’t cite any sources and with their recent blunders on reporting on school SROs, they could twist the facts and perhaps the administrators summoned the school SRO as he was going into action. That would make better sense, administrator calls SRO and heads down to the classroom. I think Red Clay owes the public and parent better facts. 

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14 responses to “Red Clay school safety procedure is risky re: gun found in student possession! Call police after the fact ?

  1. You don’t wait for backup before handling the situation. What if the gun HAD been loaded and the admin DID wait for the SRO and something awful DID happen? That makes no sense. Additionally, what no one is reporting is that the two kids who came up after hours attend Hodgson. Hmm.

    What time does the building officially close? If it’s 3 pm, then any time after 3 pm IS after hours, even if folks are still there working. Just like when a store closes its doors but the last workers are there cleaning. It’s after hours.

    Come on, Kilroy. You’re too smart for fear mongering.

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    • Publius e decere

      ” — relax, Kilroy, don’t get all worked up —”

      These incidents reveal (very) bad decisions made by teens. I support jax2816’s comments, and add my own: Let’s focus on the bad teen decisions and not second guess the staff.

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    • lastDEconservative

      “Let’s focus on the bad teen decisions … ”

      Okay, as long as we agree that in the end, we will excuse them and return them to the mix with those other kids, you know, the sons and daughters and transes of the elitist, racist, and stupid, who, by God, by hook or by crook, must end up diminished in the process and no longer hold their earned positions of excellence in a world where so many have so little so unfairly. -whimper-

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    • kilroysdelaware

      “and the admin DID wait for the SRO and something awful DID happen?”
      The point is, the admin wait until after the incident to call the SRO

      Per News Journal .”Shortly after, a school resource officer was called and the student was taken into custody in Milltown, he added.”

      The admin had to be alerted the student had a gun or possibly had a gun before acting in which I assume he was called to the classroom by another staff. Yes indeed Admin was brave but some should of called the SRO at best the same time Admin was called. Some folks will see the actions of the admin as proof schools don’t need SROs. I’ll bet you if it turned bad we would of heard an outcry as why the SRO was summoned at the same time as admin. So we’ll make a Rambo out of the admin?

      “These incidents reveal (very) bad decisions made by teens. I support jax2816’s comments, and add my own: Let’s focus on the bad teen decisions and not second guess the staff”

      So if the teen killed the admin would you rack it up as a bad teen decision?

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    • Yep, I’d say killing someone is an acceptable example of the phrase “bad decision”. Does that mean the person shouldn’t be held accountable? Hell no! But in this situation there are protocols that need to be followed, and I for one sure hope the protocol for “suspected gun” reads more like “neutralize the situation” and less like “wait for backup”. My kids will attend JDHS when they reach high school, and this changes nothing about that decision. Leave the sensationalism to TNJ. Here we aren’t selling newspapers, so we can have logical discussions about the issue.

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    • kilroysdelaware

      “I for one sure hope the protocol for “suspected gun” reads more like “neutralize the situation” and less like “wait for backup”.

      The right thing was done. However the mistake was not informing SRO when information was provided admin. The admin on his way to situation could have ask another “call SRO”. Also. the was no situation in the classroom causing alarm as that student wasn’t acting out. The admin was responding to another student’s tip about the gun. SRO could have easily been called to at best assist or be prepared for the worst. But it looks like admin wanted to be Rambo and go it alone. His actions were risky and I’ll bet he was not follow set procedure that are there to protect lives. To suggest following procedures in this case wasn’t warranted is scary. But school board will praise admin and claim he was protecting lives. Red Clay’s policy to allow an admin or staff not to call SRO on tips of guns is dangerous. It was nothing more than Merv’s Red Clay Delta Force showing the world, we don’t need SROs , we have it covered.

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    • Your analysis suggests that administrators are in it for the glory, like teachers are in it for the money. I don’t see it that way at all. Perhaps the admin was just doing what they do every single day without thought of heroics. Honestly. In today’s society there are more issues where quiet investigation is a better solution than Rambo. I’d counter with the admin was exactly following protocol, which is generally that administrators run the building and are expected to maintain order and evaluate risks on sometimes an hourly basis. Perhaps this student was an honor student who had never been in trouble and the informant was a known instigator. There are several other scenarios that immediately come to mind that could explain why the admin handled the situation instead of waiting for the SRO, including that the job of the admin in this case is to protect the school, which cannot happen if they are standing in the hall waiting for the SRO who could be handling another situation, on a phone call, across the building, in a classroom lending support, outside herding a few rogue students who needed a smoke break…

      Let’s not armchair quarterback this situation is my point. You and I have literally no way of knowing all the factors that went into this decision, and if the administration turn over all important decisions to the SRO, why bother respecting the admin at all? Just like if the classroom teacher never establishes control but always defaults to admin to maintain order in the classroom.

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    • lastDEconservative

      Kilroy fancies himself a mongoose shaking a cobra to death (what were those story characters’ names?), but by all appearances appears as a puppy shaking a pink sock into submission.

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    • Kilroy,
      Our school systems have been told: don’t discipline via corporal punishment, don’t suspend (especially if there is a racial component), don’t expel (especially if there is a racial component)(or else the district has to pay for homeschooling), don’t reprimand, don’t touch, don’t address behavioral issues at the legal level (because if there is a racial component Jea will sue them AND call the feds), AND include children who have major learning disabilities that also cause major classroom disruptions in “normal” classrooms.

      On a whole lot of levels the schools have been put in the untenable situation of being unable to appropriately deal with behavioral issues and the progressives have told the schools and the objectors; it’s not the children’s fault so you (the schools) have to deal with it. This points to my broken record comments that if the schools addressed (or were allowed to address) these things appropriately then there would be less demand for charters, less need for SRO’s and the academic achievement of our schools would be vastly different for ALL abilities.

      All “procedures/ policies” are subject to change if the schools directives of zero tolerance conflict with Jea’s, the feds, and progressives’ ideologies of who, when, or why someone makes a “bad” decision. CSD can’t even enforce a hair color policy when the ACLU gets involved and you expect a school to enforce a strict Gun policy without knowing who, where and why? You’re funny.

      Shout out to Michael Petrilli in todays NJ: http://www.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/columnists/2015/11/05/disruptive-students-hurt-high-achievers/75221182/

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  2. According to the CDC report the kids arrested at Dickinson would be targeted for additional services to avoid a more violent future. what services? Sterilization? Lobotomy?

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  3. We need a discussion on this question; “WHAT ARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF OUR SCHOOL EMPLOYEES?”

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  4. Publius e decere

    Today’s “Comment” and “Our View” sections of TNJ offer two perspectives:

    1. Respect the administrators (“Our View”).
    2. Remove the disrupters (“Comment”)

    Old-school common sense. And in the TNJ, of all places!

    Publius

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    • lastDEconservative

      Hoping Kilroy puts the “Remove Them” piece up for comment. Also hoping that my ol’ pal Break sees that the writer (who I’ve never met, but may have read my stuff on here 😉 ) wants to put the ne’er do wells in camps. Sweet!

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