NCLB Waivers will be revoked if Markell doesn’t veto H.B. 50

Passage of H.B. # 50 is a major win for labor.  Currently by law there are no consequences for student refusing to take the Smarter Balanced Assessment or for parents opting their child out ! What did students and parents really win?? NOTHING! The big win would be state repeal of the Smarter Balances Assessment. 

If Governor Markell doesn’t veto H.B #50 the Washington wheels will turn to revoke the NCLB waivers or at best not extend them. Many schools will be required to restructure with new school leaders, teachers and very possibly convert to charter. Washington won’t try to withhold NCLB aka ESEA funds to states and schools but the REAL consequences will be  losing the NCLB waviers.

Many labor leaders a cheering the opt-out legislation but when union dues paying teachers are booted out of jobs because of provision within NCLB re: mandatory restructuring, the union mother-ship will loose $$$$$$$.

Mark my word!!!!!!!!!!! If Governor Markell doesn’t veto there will be hell to pay! Sure the legislators can override a veto but Govenor Markell will be half way out of his last term.

The education house of cards will fall and state legislators will be holding the bag because the pulled an override on Markell.   

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58 responses to “NCLB Waivers will be revoked if Markell doesn’t veto H.B. 50

  1. Do you even read the news????? How many states have had tremendous numbers of students opting out? What has US DOE done? Nothing. That is a straight up scare tactic that, frankly, I’m surprised to read on this blog.

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    • Publius e decere

      Arne “Nothing To Lose” Duncan might not see it your way.

      Your mindset is one of “I’ve always driven 40 in this 20mph zone, there will never be a speed trap”. Good luck. But could you at least post your travel plans online so the rest of us can take The Road Less Traveled (by you) ?

      Publius

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    • You have no idea what my mindset is like and I’d thank you kindly to not pigeonhole me into whatever narrow-minded category works best for you. What I’m taking issue with is Kilroy slamming the union for taking the Fed’s money and screwing over the kids for the past 6 years and all of a sudden doing a 180 and saying the union is screwing over kids by succumbing to the pressure of receiving federal money. What is that? Plus this opt out movement has been mostly led by parents, so don’t even make it a labor issue.

      Also, I never travel that quickly and it’s been over 20 years since I got a speeding ticket. One in my entire life. I don’t live dangerously, I just know horse shit when I see it and I’m not afraid to say it.

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    • lastDEconservative

      “Plus this opt out movement has been mostly led by parents … ”

      Wait, I thought it was LED by Angos(tura Bitters) and JoKo Ono (yes, that is witty, thank you). I think maybe Pub has the mob mentality thing right — a quite small mob, but still. I think dispersal could be effected quite handily by requiring a brief statement as to their absence of objection to the previous one or twenty seven iterations of the regimen brought forth by the same government idiocracy in order to stay in the fray, as it were.

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    • Publius e decere

      standardizedtests.procon.org

      All has been said on both sides. And the Delaware political theatre is clear — the legislature gets to “support the people” (i.e., all ten of them who have harangued them with incessant vitriol) and the governor gets to do the right thing with a veto to this small-minded sop.

      Then the legislature can say “we tried” and move on.
      Then the governor can say “I stood up for what is right” and move on.

      We all win. And standardized testing will continue — to measure the effectiveness of the system. Right here in River City.

      Now we need to ACT on deficiencies in effectiveness. Back to you, Mighnight Ryder —

      Publius

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    • Publius e decere

      Veto. It is the right decision from the Governor’s perspective. Then if the legislature really wants this they can override his veto. And own it.

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    • Publius e decere

      And there we have it today, two odious race-baiting arguments from not-so-exceptional delaware and from kavips. I guess they are flat out of intellectual arguments. It looks like they prefer to have out-of-state groups carry the water for their Delawre opinions on opt out and they can’t help but try to insert race into a dialog where it does not belong. It is sad to watch. Does SBAC have a module on rhetoric, ethics and logic? Where is the suggestion box?

      Standardized tests are there to measure the effectiveness of the system of public schools. If part of the system falls short on effectiveness, then we the public must do something about it to make that part better (or, maybe to just go away as needless government). Representatives and Senators and Governors who have their eye on the real ball game know this, and they don’t have their heads fluttering in the breaking winds of the disaffected Luddites.

      Take the test.

      Publius

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    • According to the Smarter Balanced Assessment Consortium, the purpose of their test is to measure student knowledge. That is on their website, and their folks say that in public. The way lawmakers have chosen to use the test is not as the makers intended, and the makers have little control over that.

      Just a quick fact check.

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    • Publius e decere

      Student knowledge — at a system-wide level. I suppose we agree.

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    • Publius e decere

      From the SBAC’s own position paper: “States in the Smarter Balanced Assessment Consortium (Smarter Balanced) will report scores on its assessments in several ways, which can serve different purposes for their stakeholders. Scale scores are the basic units of reporting. These scores, which fall along a continuous vertical scale (from approximately 2000 to 3000) that increases across grade levels, can be used to illustrate students’ current level of achievement and their growth over time in a relatively fine-grained fashion. When aggregated, these scores can also describe school- or district-level changes in performance on the tests and can measure gaps in achievement among different groups of students.”

      When aggregated .. school-level or district-level performance. In other words — system wide.

      Not to mention the measurement of gaps in achievement among different groups of students. Something many civil rights leaders in our state supprt and wish to retain and enhance, so that we can all have an informed dialog about where “more resources” need application.

      Publius

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    • You win. Have a great night!

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  2. Publius e decere

    Fair enough. I do think Kilroy is chumming the water here.

    For me, the bottom line is that the state Executive has a responsibility (by way of Legislation) to ensure that the system of schooling is efficient. A standardized test delivers on that. If people don’t like it, then fix the test rather than “opt out”.

    If someone “opts out” of workplace rules they lose their job. If someone “opts out” of traffic laws, we all suffer. If someone “opts out” of fiduciary responsibility we get (Kilroy: Academy of Dover) or (MRyder: Red Clay and Christina school districts).

    If a student “opts out” of graduation requirements they don’t (or at least shouldn’t) get a degree.

    Opting out is an uninformed protest harking back to the Sixties as expressed by minnors at the time. As Sam Rayburn so aptly said: “Any jackass* can kick down a barn, it takes a carpenter** to build one”.

    Publius

    * “Jackass” … please refer to earlier blog comments related to Donkeys and Asses

    ** “carpenter” .. Sam Rayburn was a creature of his time and this may have been a reference to Jesus.

    Publius

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    • How is a standardized test that does not measure a student’s “growth” from the start of the school year to its end capable of demonstrating what a student has learned in that school year? How does a standardized test which scores are not available until mid-summer help the teacher in my child’s classroom help my child?

      No, thank you. My children will take the tests that matter, and I will not allow them to take the ONE that doesn’t.

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    • Publius e decere

      Some serious civil rights groups support standardized testing.

      http://www.civilrights.org/press/2015/esea-reauthorization-principles.html

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    • Publius e decere

      I guess its a tie. Unless we should count nationally recognized organizations with more weight than state-level or local boutique groups.

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    • Yeah, I guess you’re right. Bigger groups that operate on a national level should definitely be listened to way more than those smaller groups. Everyone knows those groups that are directly in and helping the communities are way too personally involved to be objective.

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    • Publius e decere

      Well, maybe. I did notice a meaningful portion of those groups were labor unions which I am pretty sure are not chartered nor empowered to sacrifice self-interest of its members over the public interest. I guess we’ll just never resolve the bias of rose-colored glasses. Nor beer goggles. Nor conflict of interest.

      We all presume that we know what the Delaware Governor stands for in this tempest. Let’s see if he produces a veto to prove it. He might waffle, after all he is a leader in the Democrat political party. But if he holds true to his beliefs and the reasons that he got elected, then he will veto. And then we can ask the House and Senate to confirm their resolve in an override. And bully for them if they override.

      And then whatever comes from that will be squarely on the shoulders of the House and Senate. “They won’t have [ name your politician ] to kick around any more.”

      Publics

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    • Publius, way to bring out the six month old letter. This is old news my friend. Furthermore, out of those 27 civil rights groups that opposed the ESEA reauthorization, only 12 showed up when the opt-out movement hit a fever pitch a few months later. Whereas today, a much greater number of groups spoke out against what those 27 or 12 groups want. As well, the Civil Rights groups who want these tests for their kids have NO data to back it up with. They will say “we don’t want a time like Brown vs. the Board of Education.” Cause that’s what they have been spoon-fed by the reformers. But you and I both know damn well, SBAC won’t give these students the “miracles” those groups are praying for. In fact, I’m going to say right here, right now….they will do worse on this test. We shall see what song they are singing when the scores come out.

      As for the Governor, his very Markellevellian ignorance of the matter will further cement his legacy in Delaware. My guess is he will do nothing with the bill. He is probably sitting at home praying the ESEA reauthorization addresses the subject so he doesn’t have to. Which is a coward’s way of dealing with it. Whether he signs it or vetoes it, either one is a decision. To do nothing shows his inherent weakness when his Achilles heel is exposed. Either way, parents are going to opt out. And I’m also willing to bet the opt-out numbers would have been lower than they were this year, but because he and his buddies Earl and Dave made such a big stink about it and played games around it, this pissed parents off even more. The big difference between now and even six months ago is parents know. They questioned what’s going on in education, and they are more empowered than they ever were. And if SBAC is around next year, the number of opt-out kids will be much bigger.

      “But if he holds true to his beliefs and the reasons he got elected…” Wow! Do you really think the bulk of the citizens in this state believe his education messages anymore? That these assessments provide any useful and reliable data? It’s all about the charter schools, and always has been. I find this bi-partisan, dwindling group of Markell believers are fast becoming the laughing stock of Delaware. Even many of the charter parents, who before any of this were pretty much untouchable, are hip to it now. But yeah, go on, believe. Believe in your unrealistic march to proficiency…

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    • Publius e decere

      Civil rights leaders have an opinion and Kevin Ohlandt disagrees. So KO concludes that those leaders “have NO data”, they are “spoon fed” and they are relying on “miracles”. How civil. Mirror mirror on the wall —

      KO declares the state governor to be “a coward”, that the entirety of the governor’s policy is for charter schools*, and that the pursuit of proficiency is “an unrealistic march”. How thoughtful. A page right from the field manual of Kaptain Kook. And an evident shortfall in proficiency for his exceptional Knockoff..

      In reality, those civil rights leaders are thoughtful and respected. In reality the Governor is consistent with his message and his goals to improve public education.

      In reality, all that can be done with a flame-throwing heretic is to refer him to the two “J”s in the leading blog comment above.

      Hee Haw.

      Publius

      * I believe that Markell signed onto a charter school moratorium which is in place today.

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    • Hey Kevin, I’m gonna guess Publius is unaware that my last name actually is Kook and assume he isn’t referring to me OR using my name as a means of insult to another person. I’m of the mind that one should not insult another without “good cause”.

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    • Publius e decere

      Jax,

      You are right I was unaware. “Kook” in the referenced usage referred to the acolytes of representative “K” and the nutty logic of exceptional “K”. May as well throw in the one-trick-pony diatribes of “K”avips. Now that I know its connection to your surname I’ll decline from using the word “Kook” as a pejorative. Which gives your blog-comments no free pass by the way :-).

      Now, if you want to require that insults (and their related attacks and accusations) require good cause then you have correctly addressed that to Kevin “Always Insulting” Ohlandt. Offender in Chief (“OINC”). We never know when he is on his meds.

      Publius

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    • Feel free to question my posts as long as you never question my motives!

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    • lastDEconservative

      Now here’s a conspiracy theory I can get into. The “K” connection.
      Kennedy.
      Kirk (Captain).
      Kevorkian.
      Kommunists.
      Kilroy.
      MiKe (Ramone).
      Fun!

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  3. No one is going to revoke waivers… Unless they wish the opposing political party to take over next year… “What, Obama revoked our waiver? I’m never voting Democrat again… ” That is the real world consequence of revoking a waiver… Pretty silly, to think that they would actually do so, and put the entire Federal Government in Republican hands… Nope, I don’t think they will throw away their good chance of taking all three back in 2016 just to pull waiver because Markell did not veto HB 50 ….. Lol…

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    • lastDEconservative

      Only from that far away galaxy called kavips could come the notion that the wildly unqualified voters who persistently elect the Ds would a) vote them out for, well, any reason; 2) have enough discernment to realize that they’d been wronged, and d) wait, did Publius just use the J word?

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    • “Wildly unqualified voters”? Are you serious? I’m just a little person, but I do remember the parts of the Bill of Rights that guarantee ALL people voting rights. You don’t get to pick and choose who votes. All you – or I, or anyone – get to pick and choose is who earns our individual vote.

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    • The reason that our galaxy appears so far away to you, is because you exist on the edge of the universe, in a spot beyond rational thought.. That galaxy to which you refer is called the Milky Way by us, and is home to our planet here, which we call Earth… Most of us, except for you and one other, live here. Of course, from your Conservative viewpoint, it would look far away to you…but that is your fault, not anyone else’s. No doubt your girth is growing a little too wide? If so that would verify the Universal Expansion theory is alive and well..

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    • lastDEconservative

      Simmer down! I’m not picking or choosing! I’m not elected!

      Having the right to vote doesn’t make them qualified. Most aren’t. Given the chance, though, I -might- dream up an SBAC type exam before giving them the ballot …

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    • Qualified is a relative term… the listener immediately asks “qualified for what?” The relative answer depends on who is doing the qualifying… Just like the Smarter Balanced Test qualifies for what? Well we do know the one thing it does not qualify as,… is a measure of student ability….

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    • Publius e decere

      I used two J words. In the spirit of equal opportunity.

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    • Next time smoke those two j’s before commenting… Your diction might be clearer.

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  4. WTF Kilroy!!!! What the hell is this? What is your obsession with DSEA. They are not the problem here, it’s Duncan and his corporate education reform buddies. They don’t have a pot to piss in with opt-out, and let them hurl their threats. Nobody believes them anymore. I debunked their letter to Murphy a couple months ago, and I’ll keep doing it. When they can’t threaten parents with nasty letters and bullying behaviors, they try the old “assessment inventory” crap. And when that didn’t really work, they get the Civil Rights groups to scream bloody murder about opt-out. But little do they realize, they will be screaming bloody murder when they realize the SBAC scam and all those kids behind in the old achievement gap from DCAS will be even further behind the “first few years” of SBAC. Let Duncan pull any of his waiver shit. It would force the DOE to say “crap, if we don’t have the waivers, then we don’t need to be spending hundreds of millions of dollars a year to be compliant w/NCLB so we get $91 million in fed money. Screw the feds, were actually going to have more money to send to the classroom!” So I say this: Duncan, pull the fucking waivers!

    Publius, sounds like you and Lavelle ought to go fishing sometime! Funny you should mention graduation requirements…just sayin’…

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    • kilroysdelaware

      OMG !!!!!!!!!! Kevin !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Drinking Kool-aid is one thing bout drinking after Baby Hoffa pisses in is another thing ;). Labor gains more with the opt out than parents or students. As long as there is the fucked up Common Core and it’s evil sister the Smarter Balanced children and parent lose! DSEA and all the local unions like RCEA support the RTTT MOU and “MARKELL”. Aren’t you the poster child for Vouchers lol 🙂 . How dare you insult DSEA waving the voucher flag 🙂 LOL

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    • What, exactly, does labor gain, Kilroy??? Serious question.

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    • Publius e decere

      “Now there you go again” Kevin. Nice education-oriented post. You have proven your relative (low) standing in these debates with a gold-standard world-class panache. We now have it straight from the horse’s mouth. Or was that a Donkey? Where are my glasses —-

      Publius

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    • Publius e decere

      As for whether or not Arne will act, keep in mind that the stakes to “try it” are much lower in Delaware than in, say, Pennsylvania. We were a test-tube baby for RTTT, we could very well be a test-tube baby for trying out a cessation of Federal funds. We are small enough (aka “Small Wonder”) as a state to use as a guinea pig, and we are just a train ride away if one side wishes to visit the other. to lecture or to rant.

      Take the test.

      Publius

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    • Whatever Publius. Continue the fear mongering parade to intimidate parents. I call Duncan’s bluff…

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    • kilroysdelaware

      “What, exactly, does labor gain, Kilroy??? Serious question.”
      I realize somethings bad for teacher is bad for students / parents. The Smarter Balanced Assessment is bad for teachers, students and education. The opt-out undermines the means to hold teachers accountable and keep in mind if that’s what it takes to railroad the process great! I support it. So my position is, I support killing the Smarter Balanced Assessment or at best not use it for teacher evaluation. But the facts remain, the opt-out does nothing for the student or parents. The winner is “labor” whereas, if not enough students take the test outcome is skewed enough invalidate it use to us for teacher evaluation! Yes a good thing! But let’s get real, labor was a major part of the opt-out push standing “behind” those parents leading the charge. HOWEVER, labor created their own nightmare by supporting the RTTT MOU laced with Common Core and the Smarter Balanced.

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    • I agree about the RTTT bit, although you need to let that go, my friend.

      As for the rest, such a small group of educators are even using the SBA, and there are a host of other standardized assessments (like the ones they are all using now), AND – as I already pointed out – the SBA results won’t come in until mid-summer, making them useless for educator evaluations anyway…

      I can do this all night. This particular assessment has nothing going for it. Seriously. I’ve taken it, I’ve attended trainings conducted by the consortium, and I’m extremely familiar with the process of educator evaluations. This is really a go-nowhere assessment.

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    • Publius e decere

      Intimidation is Kevin’s game, not mine. Cussing, protesting, public disruption and personal attacks appear to be his stock in trade. A chapter taken from the Book of Kowalko. It’s sad.

      I call out phony arguments. Kevin and his muse make it easy, The best Whoppers outside of Burger King. Or is that the best Whalers? (say it out loud).

      I came out of retirement when Uncle John spewed 508 phony arguments based on incorrect facts and inartful use thereof. It is too easy, frankly, like taking candy from a baby. When Kevin comes a-rushing to his Uncle’s aide by changing the subject, his arguments sppear as a fly whch must be swatted.

      Now there “is” an Uncle John which I appreciate — he has a series of funny books known as Uncle John’s Bathroom Reader. A typical title: Uncle John Plunges Into History” A pitch-perfect end to this tempest going nowhere.

      Publius

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    • Publius, you have always been, are, and always will be, an asshole. You chastise me for personal attacks, but you are the master of it. But you hide behind your name from a Shakespeare play like the two-bit liar and fraud you are. Why don’t you tell everyone you sit on a charter school board that is well-known to carefully select every single student that walks through its doors like they are a private school not receiving federal, state and local funding… Be a man and come forward, or be the coward most of us know you to be…either way, I truly don’t care. I’m all for blogger’s honor and all that, but when you are an absolute prick to anyone who disagrees with you, than fuck it…

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    • kilroysdelaware

      “I agree about the RTTT bit, although you need to let that go, my friend.”

      Yea hide the smoking gun!!! I don’t think so! But in all fairness Markell and DOE Dan made an offer that couldn’t be refused. RTTT was the Wall Street Trojan Horse with Common Core and Smarter Balanced in it’s belly! I was at Red Clay’s RTTT MOU board meeting! Then there was DSTP fights give us a growth model test and we’ll be glad to be held accountable for student “growth”. But then again in came Coach Murphy! It all sucks for everyone! However, the opt-out gives students and parents nothing! We need to extract ourselves from the overreach of USDOE! And Debbie Hudson failed to give us the tools! If I had recording of Red Clay’s RTTT MOU meeting with DOE Dan and his ego trip the truth would have been recorded! Opt-out is step on to bringing down the Smarter Balanced Assessment a win for all!

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    • If opt out is step one to bringing it all down, and bringing it all down is a good thing, why are you slamming opt out as not being a win for parents and students?

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    • “However, the opt-out gives students and parents nothing!” Speaking as a parent who decided well over a year ago my son was not taking this test, and at the time knew nothing about Race To The Top, all the dynamics of teachers unions and how the legislative process works in Delaware, I have to take objection to this comment Sir Kilroy! I opted my kid out for the sole purpose of doing what is best for my child. I know him, and I know this test would cause a great deal of stress and anxiety for him, without the accommodations he is supposed to get under federal IDEA law. I’m sure you remember my emails to you before I even posted his story on here, and how green I must have been. But I quickly learned about the details around this test, the implications beyond just my son, but those of other students, teachers and schools while the DOE sits back picking their nose and labeling and punishing, and I felt a moral and imperative need to do something about it. Opt-out gives both myself and my son relief that he doesn’t have to take a test that caused a special needs student in Ohio to pick out their eyelashes, one by one, while taking the Smarter Balanced Assessment. I think you are grossly underestimating the will and resolve of parents on this issue Kilroy. Opt-out has caused parents to really dig in and research the issues and they are drawing the same conclusions based on various sources from the defenders and the opposers. Furthermore, parents will be the ones making changes with their voice. We are the neglected and cast to the side force in this movement, and we are making sure that never happens again.

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    • Publius e decere

      Of course Kevin never has stopped to consider that he just might be wrong. Barking up the wrong tree, so to speak. Too busy being angry, swearing and attacking. I’m sure he is a fine example — for someone.

      Just in case you though I was making up the existence of my favorite Uncle John, sit down and take a load off: http://www.bathroomreader.com/

      Publius

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    • I truly didn’t care about your Uncle John analogy, but thanks for the link. If I am so wrong, prove to me exactly how I am wrong oh wise one. The difference between you and I can be summed up in a few words: I keep it real.

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    • Lets get back on topic now. My impression is that Kilroy is fighting old battles… Yes, the DSEA was complicit in pushing both Common Core and the Smarty Pants Assessment though both chambers of legislature… BUT… they also this round were responsible for telling the truth about the Smarty Pants Asses… Kilroy knows them from 2 years ago. Kevin knows them from now… 180 degrees different… (well rounded up… probably like 140 or 150 degree in reality)…..

      No one but two idiots here think they will risk the next election by pulling waivers… Which is fine. When idiots argue, they tend to give credence to the opposite point they are trying to make; which is why Shakespeare included so many in his plays… You almost need them; they are very helpful at times to convince others by their arguments against you that things should be just as you say, . They too have a part to play…

      Finally, both Pube and Lavelle don’t go fishing… unless they have some hookers come along… Both of them are too prissy to actually touch the bait….

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    • Smarty Pants Assessment may be the funniest thing I’ve read all day. Outstanding 🙂

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  5. The intention of testing has never been to measure the quality of planning and instruction of a teacher (or collectively that of a school). If you think otherwise, you are ignorant or foolish. I read these threads, and it is painfully obvious that most of you really have no idea what is going on in classrooms (good, bad, or otherwise). You should visit – or at least talk to those working the job. Otherwise, you’re just exercising in self-gratification with all of your bluster.

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    • I’m a classroom teacher….

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    • Publius e decere

      Maybe you should find out what people outside of the profession think when they are asked to pay taxes to fund the profession. My point being that there is no preemptive “right” to public funding. It is not the obligation of those outside of the profession to hew to the task, it is the job of the profession to justify its claim on the taxing power of the state.

      Shorter: Make a case for public funding.

      Publius

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    • “Let me explain why I like to pay taxes for schools even though I don’t personally have a kid in school: I don’t like living in a country with a bunch of stupid people.” -John Green

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  6. Pencadermom

    ““Let me explain why I like to pay taxes for schools even though I don’t personally have a kid in school: I don’t like living in a country with a bunch of stupid people.” -John Green”
    Just because you pay taxes for schools doesn’t mean you don’t have a bunch of stupid people. (sorry, I would not normally use that word, just reusing the one in your quote)
    Why is it that our local community college has to teach the difference between their, they’re and there? (just one example, want more?)

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    • Paying taxes is a civic responsibility. Is that better?

      It’s fine if you don’t like it. Work to change the system. Find a better way. That’s the beauty of America.

      Community colleges are teaching basic grammar because teachers are too busy testing to teach. Maybe that’s more compelling? I don’t profess to have the answers. You and I have the same power for change, which is to learn what works and find ways to make it happen. Instead we’re here on this blog arguing. Hmm.

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    • lastDEconservative

      “Community colleges are teaching basic grammar because teachers are too busy testing to teach.”

      C’mon, man, surely you can do better than that.

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    • lastDEconservative

      “Just because you pay taxes for schools doesn’t mean you don’t have a bunch of stupid people.”

      If paying taxes for schools is a civic responsibility, jax, should there not be an expectation of a return?

      Pub nails it again, as is often the case as the witching hour approaches, “it is the job of the profession to justify its claim on the taxing power of the state.”

      Huzzah, both mom and Pub.

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    • Again, I’m a classroom teacher. I’m not shielding myself or my profession. Show me a better way. I’m open.

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