Student uniforms for Dickinson and McKean high schools students? WFT ?

Item 3. Presentation on Red Clay’s school board agenda for January 21, 2015 board meeting indicates a presentation on school uniforms Dickinson and McKean High School students.

Personally I oppose uniforms in traditional high schools unless over 50% of the “students” votes in favor! High School is a time students become “young adults”.

Perhaps we need to consider requiring teachers to adhere to dress codes / uniforms approved for students in any given school.

I have a hunch the underlying motivation of this initiative is to target urban clothing styles that some suggest is ghetto-look! High school students should be allow to express individuality often expressed by clothing style. Lets just say this is an infringement of self-expression.    

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33 responses to “Student uniforms for Dickinson and McKean high schools students? WFT ?

  1. Give me a break

    No worries Kilroy it is a completely unenforceable rule… It’s bluster… Wait till it gets implemented without any real thought by the super and board… By October 15 of the first year it gets implemented I challenge you to walk the halls during any class change if you don’t see 15 kids walk by out of uniform I will donate $1000 to your favorite charity

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  2. Publius e decere

    If I were Superintendent —–

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  3. Uniforms or dress code? AI duPont has a dress code, and when they implemented it a couple of years ago, the world remained turning. I’m not crazy about uniforms, but dress codes make sense. Most middle schools (if not all) in RC have a dress code. This is a non-issue. Next.

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    • kilroysdelaware

      When “uniforms” were first pushed it was all about wanting wash the visual line between poor and not so poor! Some kids were coming to school dressed as rags muffins and others like they just flew in from Hollywood. But I feel its become about conformity to socially exceptional dress and to beat back droopy pants hanging don on the ass and below. With a uniform dress-code enforcement doesn’t become a questionable targeting of minorities.

      Back in Kiroy’s days there was a dress code collar shirts, hair above collar, no shorts, no sneakers, no short dresses and a bunch of other rules. However the 60’s and 70’s pushed that dress code out the door.

      But I strongly feel high school students should have a say! At the end of the day it’s about CONTROL. What next uniform policies for public funded colleges? Perhaps we should keep military recruiters out of high schools because after all if we want to tell students how to dress were saying they are children without rights.

      The game is to de-ghetto how students dress.

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    • lastDEconservative

      “The game is to de-ghetto how students dress.”

      Let’s say so. Then this is just the thousand and first time the innocent (also the many) are punished for the acts of the guilty (always the few) … for fear, for political correctness, etc., i.e., all the wrong reasons — assuming actual adults are in charge.

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    • Kilroy,
      And why is it a bad thing if they are attempting to “de-ghetto” the attire of students?

      Uniforms simplify a whole series of problems but you act like the 15 year old SHOULD be able to wear his pants at his arse or the girl SHOULD be able to dress like street walker. And as far as cost, I’ll bet you the $1000.00 that the uniforms are cheaper than all the clothes and high dollar shoes some of these “disadvantaged” are wearing.

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    • “But I strongly feel high school students should have a say! At the end of the day it’s about CONTROL”
      It’s freaking school. Sorry but they are kids and should not have control. Why do you think so many schools have so many problems anyway? Kids doing and saying and coming and going as they please. They have control. They have no boundaries. They have no guidance. Uniforms sounds like a very small but good step in the right direction to gaining some control in schools. And anyone who says they are more $ than street clothes, probably hasn’t had to do it yet. Cause that really isn’t true. Or just forgo the $200 kicks and you would have plenty of money for uniforms.

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    • lastDEconservative

      “Kids doing and saying and coming and going as they please.”

      Rock on, Pmom. You are talking about the teachers and admins, right?

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    • I agree that this is a non-issue. The fewer distractions at school, the better. I just don’t see strict dress codes as oppressive whatsoever. And anything traditional schools can do to restore some public faith in their ability to support order as part of the school climate, the better.

      Khakis/Cords/Polos…the stores are practically giving them away, and it’s easy to give needy kids donations from the school with no one the wiser.

      We’re experiencing it now in middle school, and I wish we’d had them in elementary! I think it’s a great equalizer for kids from different backgrounds, as well. If I had my say, we’d do it this way from PK-12…

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  4. And it’s very enforceable.

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    • Give me a break

      No it is not…
      It just isn’t… You will need a uniform czar, then when a kid refuses to wear it I guess it becomes a discipline issue… In school suspension, out of school suspension etc… Next thing you know he ‘numbers go up’ here comes Jea and his crew … That or the admin will become disinterested, have bigger things to worry about.
      I think there are 2-3 CSD middle schools at have uniforms.. Stop by anyone of them tomorrow…spend time in he halls or cafeteria…it is unenforceable

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  5. I can’t go to work wearing just anything I want – there are rules and guidelines. Nothing wrong with teaching kids of this age that there is a time and place for self expression, and there is a time and place where you put that on the back burner. That’s how life works.
    And jump on me in 3… 2… 1…

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    • kilroysdelaware

      Yep that how the worlds works re” That’s how life works! I get the point! I wonder if these same schools require teachers to wear uniforms would it then be unfair? Self expression is a individual developmental process! Just saying that’s all! Common Core to dress code I guess! But in the big picture it’s the adults in education crying about change than kids! Should we as parents forget about fighting change such as opting out of testing? High school students are young adults learning to make decisions on their own but then again as long as you live in my house (school) you’ll do as I say 😉 Don’t tell me next they’ll impose a rule on what color a student can dye their hair!

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    • Pink is not an acceptable color no matter what your attire. Far too clashing with most color schemes.

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    • maybe if you could see teachers entire ass every day they would start a uniform rule.

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    • lastDEconservative

      ” … maybe if you could see teachers entire ass every day they would start a uniform rule.”

      Ahh, to be back to the days before pantihose. Stocking tops and garter clasps stretched out …

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  6. RC does, indeed, have a dress code for teachers. (and by the way, CSW does have, and enforces, a rule about dyed hair).

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    • kilroysdelaware

      “RC does, indeed, have a dress code for teachers”

      That’s right and it was all thanks to Mike Matthews and that Rolling Stones T-shirt 🙂

      So at CSW I assume those with blue hair are Cab students 🙂

      Shortlidge

      ” A safe and disciplined learning envi­ronment is the first requirement of a good school. In response to growing concerns about schools, many par­ents, teachers, and school officials see school uniforms as one positive and creative way to reduce discipline prob­lems, increase school safety, and pro­mote student achievement.”

      So students grades will automatically rise once in a uniform ?
      Safety?

      “Allows all children to feel equal, regardless of socioeconomic background.”

      Meaning affluent children look down at poor kids because they way they are dressed?

      Uniforms has it’s merits but my point is , high school students are young adults steps away from being an adult. We’re in an era where we’re forcing children into the same mold pattern from Common Core to common dress! I guess it won’t be long before we tattoo them with bar codes right after birth.

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    • lastDEconservative

      “I guess it won’t be long before we tattoo them with bar codes right after birth.”

      Lake Forest is right on the cusp, mi amigo. Logo onesies before discharge from the hospital is de rigueur, a tattoo or a chip can’t be far off.

      Hmm. I wonder if the logo onesie is a uniform or part of a dress code policy.

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    • “Meaning affluent children look down at poor kids because they way they are dressed? ” It’s often the other way around.

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  7. There is so much wrong with your post, I don’t know where to begin. You have an agenda, and you’re trying, desperately, to grab an issue and make it yours. Dress codes work.

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    • kilroysdelaware

      No John! I see the merits of the dress code 100% But feel perhaps at the high school level we’re talking young adults. That is the issue I am trying to grab as the blog post title suggest. I was very involved when the school uniform issues became about. It seem it was all about making poor kids feel indifferent and from there over the years the so-called justification snowballed. It’s sad that kids have to drive alike to feel alike and not respect each other because of their dress or expression individuality.

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    • They can dress how they like in college. Oh, wait…

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  8. Publiud e decere

    Professional yes
    Provocative no
    Inflammatory extra no
    Gang? Why even ask.

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  9. If they didn’t work, why would anyone bother to implement and keep the policy after its been implemented? Can you give me an example of a school/district that has said, “Oh that dress code policy we have is for the birds. Let’s drop it because it doesn’t do anything to help promote the right kind of atmosphere in our school.”

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    • Don’t confuse dress code and uniform policy..two entirely different conversations.
      A school uniform …’students must wear a blue golf shirt and khaki pants’ is unenforceable in today’s public schools, a NON choice, NON charter and NON magnet school. You can’t say ‘this is your feeder school and you must wear a blue shirt and khakis …. What do you do when a kid refuses? What do you do when he has a hooded sweatshirt on and refuses to take it off? What do you do when he shows in jeans?
      As I say there are several non magnet type schools trying it… Show up at anyone of them tomorrow and look around with a critical eye… He’ll even some of the magnet/choice/charter types struggle with it

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    • Good point — it requires administrators willing to enforce it and stand by it … against complaints of students AND parents. If they don’t, then any code will be a farce.

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  10. Joanne Christian

    Oh the age old battle. Just leave it at, no cleavage, cracks, UNDERWEAR as outerwear, hats off unless religious, no slippers, and if you wear flip flops go directly to the nurse where we have taken up a collection for real shoes, because I don’t want to trip over your arse leaving a building bomb or fire because your flip flopped. Oh–and any branding with products you are too young to ingest, or be arrested for participating–save it for your mother’s Easter dinner. And the wearing of profane words is just fine, because then I will know to assign you to detention or extra time for vocabulary work, so you can do better than expected on your mandated SATs.

    Hair color-whatever you want
    Earring size–whatever you want to risk
    Socks–mine are off too
    Shorts in January–I don’t see a crack

    Any sex you claim to be I want to see bodies covered from armits to just above the kneepits during school hours. Don’t flatter yourself by getting in the way of somebody elses’ education–because you’re either a HOT mess and all eyes are on you, or you’re a hot MESS and people have to look around you. Either way, the board, teacher, screen, TV set, presentation is where the eyes are supposed to be and cannot compete with the Super Bowl commercial you’ve decided to present yourself as that day. School attendance is your job right now, so come dressed appropriately. There will be time later to dress for the pole, the club, the beach, the ballet, deerhunting, the shower, militia work, bedtime, or in drag.

    Any questions, or those needing a responsible change of clothes because you are responsibly getting an education–see me in the office. I’ll be in curlers, a housecoat, and loafers.

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