Interesting Red Clay Cab observation! Male Discrimination @ Cab ?

Update !!!!!!!!! 11/24/2014 There isn’t a bias toward females and the fact is, males students aren’t applying to Cab at the same rate of females. I wonder if the Markell agenda to compete in the global economy via STEM downplays the importance of the arts? The arts can be a career path and furthermore the arts has a big impact on academics.  Red Clay parents, don’t rule out Cab as a choice school for your sons. I focus on academics is equal to that of the arts at Can. They go hand and hand. The arts educates the inner self and raises self confidence which is very important to academic and career success even out side the arts. So my question was answered and my point was, millions of dollars are spend on the data dashboard and data collecting. It’s there to review and question. The Cab data in question just jumped out and I had to engage! But again, parents of male students don’t rule out Cab as a good academic choice and yep they have that specific interest clause. And yep, Cab us a Red Clay magnet school often confused at a charter school. Another note, Cab and CSW do share resources benefiting both Cab and CSW. Down boy (Publius), I am not sell the coexistence of charter and traditional schools.  If Cab were a traditional school were we could measure impact we could play that card. End of update…..  

According to the Delaware Department of Education holy grail data driven website Cab Calloway “magnet school” has enrollment of 70.1% female students and 29.9% male students. Also I noticed Richardson Park Learning Center has student enrollment of 70.6% male students and 29.4% female students. Central school has 69.2% male and 30.8% female.

Sure kilroy has too much time on his hand however, what is the sense of having data if no one reviews it and ask question when there are disparities. I’ll admit, the validity of data provided by the Delaware Department of Education is weak.

All other Red Clay schools with the exception of the three I noted have a reasonable balanced re: male and female students. Wait DMA is 65.1% male and 34.9% female. But then again the arm forces tend to be male dominate.  

Cab’s data is begging to be explored as to why such disparities? Is there bias towards female applicants?  Could a rejected male applicant yell discrimination? Charter School of Wilmington has male population of 49% male and 51% female! So much for boys are better at math than girls :). But for real, does Cab have a hidden specific interest favorable to females?  Yep, Kilroy will run this one up the Red Clay flag pole! Well once Kenny comes down ;).

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27 responses to “Interesting Red Clay Cab observation! Male Discrimination @ Cab ?

  1. Certain disabilities tend to affect males more frequently than females which may explain the disproportionate stats at RPLC and Central.

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  2. I don’t think there is anything new under the sun there, Kilroy, about Cab. As long as I can remember, female population there has far outpaced male. I would guess that the applications are even more female heavy – just from my observations of discussing with students their interests in high schools.

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  3. And herein lies the issue with gender equality in pay. too many girls are enrolling at cab. not enough girls are enrolling in programs that focus on the sciences and technology

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    • kilroysdelaware

      CSW is about dead even 49% male and 51% female.

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    • then why isnt cab?

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    • lastDEconservative

      ” … too many girls are enrolling at cab. not enough girls are enrolling in programs that focus on the sciences and technology … ”

      See folks, this is a representation of “what’s really going on.” How dare a.n.y.o.n.e suggest that free choice made by free people which does not fit their (government/elite/progressive) world view is wrong on any level? God help us. Please.

      Free lifetime Destroyer Card renewal for Arthur. Congratulations.

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  4. Man you’re writing does make understanding what you are saying tough! is there or isnt there a bias at Cab? if males apply at the same rate yet there is a 3 to 1 ratio of girls to boys there then i would think there is a bias

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    • kilroysdelaware

      What I added , “update” was after communicating to Red Clay and Cab. The “application” numbers indicate females apply to Cab at the 70% rate noted. Dance and theatre seems to be a big attraction for the females less for males. I am told males are applying at the rate of females. I am being told for next year there are 443 females that applied and 211 males. aprox 154 seats open for 6th grade and 120 for 9th. Does these mean 100% males will get in? very doubtful as they have to pass the interview process.

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    • lastDEconservative

      First off, no misplaced or misused apostrophe’s are permitted on this site. We ‘are’ being watched.

      Then this:

      How dare YOU, Arthur, suggest that because girls are more inclined to go to Cab Arts, that YOU or your designee MUST intervene to create some sort of imagined equality, or (Heaven help me) equity? How is it that girls shouldn’t be free to choose what THEY want, guided by their parents?

      Really? Will you choose the STEM subjects by lottery? Can they opt out if they chose the school because of proximity, not artsiness or due to feminine DNA? How will you enforce that, lie detectors, truth serum, genetic testing?

      Especially in the face of yet another destructive construct of progressivism/socialism, STEM, the government schooling (not education) equivalent of global warming, is this egregious.

      How’s that?

      Keep the lifetime renewal. Cheers.

      PS: Dealing with the LATER obviously-true-because-it’s-on-the-internet claim of disparity between admissions and applications is a separate bone to chew from that of your initial assertion and demand for management, to wit., ” … too many girls are enrolling at cab. not enough girls are enrolling in programs that focus on the sciences and technology … ” Don’t throw that into the pot. Furthermore, let’s see what Pmom figures out as she chases that separate claim’s veracity.

      Whew! And to think I didn’t even address the laughable-if-it-weren’t-evil comment that you made about arts/STEM/gender pay equality (or is it equity?)

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    • “What I added , “update” was after communicating to Red Clay and Cab. The “application” numbers indicate females apply to Cab at the 70% rate noted. Dance and theatre seems to be a big attraction for the females less for males. I am told males are applying at the rate of females. I am being told for next year there are 443 females that applied and 211 males. aprox 154 seats open for 6th grade and 120 for 9th. Does these mean 100% males will get in? very doubtful as they have to pass the interview process.”
      This doesn’t even make sense. 70% more girls apply than boys? AND they apply at the same rate? Can’t be both or am I reading this wrong. And why in the world would 100% of boys have to get in? Is there a reason the percentages ‘need’ to be equal? And by reason, I mean an actual real life meaningful reason. Is there one? Do you really think if you told someone on the street that there are way more girls than boys at CAB they would be surprised or even think this was an issue? seriously.

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    • lastDEconservative

      C’mon, Pmom, ‘fess up. You lost your decoder ring.

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  5. where do you go to see that boys and girls are applying at the same rate as each other?

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    • lastDEconservative

      Hey, Pmom, look up, Kilroy put his answer to your query up there under Komrade Arthur’s similar wondering.

      Part of it: “I am being told for next year there are 443 females that applied and 211 males. aprox 154 seats open for 6th grade and 120 for 9th. ”

      So, girls applied at nominally twice the rate of boys. I know, using the g- and b- words is not politically correct. Pffftt.

      Soooooo, how does the equity crowd deal with this? Let in equal numbers of boys and girls? Proportional numbers? Is it the fault of the 211th boy that 222 more boys didn’t apply? Hmm? Don’t the elites look cute up there perched and squirming on their own petards?

      I know there is a progressive standard calculus built in to all things boy that is designed to punish them for the y-chromosome of the first cave man to drag a mate to his abode by her luxurious long hair, to right the ship of gender-dom by holding them back AND giving the girls preferences … yet here these boys are begging entry into the sisterhood of dance and such … I think the equation is gonna explode.

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    • kilroysdelaware

      But look at Richardson Park Learning Center , 70.6% male and 29.4% female! Does that suggest females are less prone to learning disabilities?

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    • lastDEconservative

      “Does that suggest females are less prone to learning disabilities?”

      NO!!! It p.r.o.v.e.s the male genitalia punishment bias (since that’s the word du jour) theorem.

      Acting that way doesn’t suit “our” norms, so there must be something wrong with them (boys). And they obviously can’t go into the arts … so tag ’em, drug ’em, cull ’em out of the herd.

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    • lastDEconservative

      Aack!! I forgot to ask, or poke you in the eye as the case may be.

      ” … look at Richardson Park Learning Center , 70.6% male and 29.4% female!”

      Wait for it …

      Is that application percentages or admitted percentages? What are the percentages of whichever of the two the given ones are not?

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  6. I’m confused. Are there, or aren’t there, more females than males applying to Cab?

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    • kilroysdelaware

      My bad ! meant to say ,”There isn’t a bias toward females and the fact is, males students “aren’t” applying to Cab at the same rate of females.

      Pencadermom, 70% is the total female population of Cab.

      Also, “I am being told for next year there are 443 females that applied and 211 males. aprox 154 seats open for 6th grade and 120 for 9th. ”

      Therefore, 68% of “next” year’s applicants are female and 32% are male. Not knowing the total number of applicants from last year I can’t calculate what % of male and female were excepted.

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    • lastDEconservative

      ” … males students “aren’t” applying to Cab at the same rate of females.”

      … and that, gentle readers, is unacceptable on its face, and will only lead to more unacceptable results, such as already manifest in the off balance attendance by gender, and must, must be controlled by the wise. Right, Art?

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  7. That makes sense. When I talk to middle school students, the overwhelming majority of those who say they are going to apply to Cab Calloway are females. And as such, it makes sense that the majority of students at Cab are female. So…is there an issue we need to worry about here? I think if this is the biggest fish to fry, given all of the issues in education today, we’ve lost focus.

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    • You must be new here. 🙂 Welcome!

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    • kilroysdelaware

      The reason I made this post was the disparity in % real jumped out in contrast to all other Red Clay schools and Red Clay charters. Sure I came out the gate with WTF! However, I did take the time to communicate to Red Clay admins and board. The leader of Cab to offer much of the response. Millions have be spent of the so-called data dashboard and collection of data and it’s there for a reason! And in comes lastDEconservative, to say…_ _ _ …

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    • . “Millions have be spent of the so-called data dashboard and collection of data and it’s there for a reason! “-
      what? and what is the reason? or is this sarcasm?
      We are spending millions on collection of data?? while we pass kids and pass kids and pass kids to the point where we have 10th graders who read at a 4th grade level because there were too many other kids to notice the ones slipping through the cracks and not enough money for reading specialists? And then that 10th grader drops out, for good reason, what would be the point of staying?? What a disservice our “”education”” department is doing to our children.

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    • Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water. We can focus on education problems and data. Kilroy does both on this blog. He also makes calls, attends meetings, etc. to find information. He does more than simply write on a blog and deserves credit for his advocacy.

      I really don’t understand the reasoning behind trashing data. All of us use data in establishing a household budget, in educating our children (homework, biology tests, etc.) and if we’re running a business we use data in regards to sales and inventory.

      Data is important and looking at data doesn’t mean we can’t look at other things, as well. Data can help us identify the kids falling behind. It can show us where this occurs and, if used correctly, can offer solutions. My problem with the data collected is how it it’s used – or rather isn’t used.

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  8. What this data and other demographic data (low income and special ed) shows us is that our charters/magnets are missing opportunities. What schools could be doing is looking at ways to make these programs ACTUALLY achieve their stated missions. IF Cab is really supposed to encourage the arts in all students, then using their data to encourge more boys, special ed and low income students to participate in the arts would be exactly what they should/could be doing. Same with CSW, DMA and other charters where there are demographic disparities. Unfortunately, this is not how Delaware education leaders look at things and the DCAS/State testing discourages taking those kinds of initiatives. Look at NCS, even under state mandate, they are not making significant strides to improve their demographic disparities. Until DDOE gets serious about this issues, then data is just data.

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  9. I don’t believe we use data properly in education. We should ask a question, and then see if/how the data answers it. Instead, we stare at numbers and try to find patterns, and let the data ask the questions for us. That leads us to relying on the data to tell us what we should focus on (and ask) – and often makes up problems that are not really a problem (e.g. – a majority of females at Cab Calloway – which isn’t really a problem at all.). You see, if it really were a problem that there were too many females at Cab Calloway, someone might say, “hey, let’s take a look at the data and see if the applications are female-heavy…etc and see if we can do something about it.” But no, we don’t do that in education. We look at numbers and dream up problems. There are enough problems in education. Let the data answer questions for us, not ask them, because you’ll often just ask questions that are a waste of time. Data can make you ask a million questions. The key is the ask the right ones.

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    • lastDEconservative

      Deliciously close to pointing out one manifestation of what’s really going on. Thank you John.

      “We should ask a question … ” The problem is “WE” is the State educracy, for whom there are no consequences for right, wrong, indifferent, or abject failure EXCEPT to the poor kids.

      ” … makes up problems … ” The legions of pre-retirees in EVERY State bureaucracy must create work for themselves. How many DelDOT hands that built Rt. 1 do you think left your (your) payroll when it was finished? And look how poorly it was done in the interim.

      As good an example of all that is wrong as DelDOT is, the educracy still comes out ahead, because the fallout and failures diminish most of the next generation, and have for at least 5 generations now. Sadly, the adults that SHOULD be in charge have been largely reduced to drooling fools by the previous incarnations of the modern day RttT, for example. I always ask the brain trust, if RttT, or Common Core, or NCLB, or Goals 2000, or Vision 1998/2000/2006/2012/2015/2025/20xx, ETC., ad nauseum is the answer, then why didn’t you unveil it last time, or the time before that, or the time before that? 3×3 is still 9, but a pre-retiree, let alone battalions of them, couldn’t stay till the finish line if that remained the standard.

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