Newark Charter public meeting doesn’t matter; State Board set to approve

Application to Modify an Existing Charter: Newark Charter School
(For Action) The Board of Directors of this school submitted a Modification Application before the deadline of December 31, 2011 seeking approval to add a high school. The Charter School Accountability Committee has issued its reports on the application. A public hearing on the application was conducted on March 7, 2012.The Secretary will make her recommendations with respect to the application.

State Board of Education is March 15, 2012 and word on the street is board will vote YES! Public meeting on the 7th  irrelevant! The issue with admission preference is a non-issue with the review committee and the state board because no laws are being broken.  This will be the ruling to counteract protester.

How can the Charter School Accountability Committee issue a report before completion of public meeting on the 7th? No disrespect to Newark Charter school and parents but for really! How can a report be complete before the required process is competed. It makes it appear public input doesn’t matter. But anyhow, an early congratulation to Newark Charter.

46 responses to “Newark Charter public meeting doesn’t matter; State Board set to approve

  1. Where is the report you are talking about? – I just see a statement saying that a meeting was held on 03/07/12 and “The Secretary will make her recommendations with respect to the application”. A meeting will be held on 03/07/12 and the Secretary of ED will make recommendations after this meeting (this is not new info to anyone) – This post feels like bullying to me – Leave NCS alone and concentrate your energies to correcting CSD schools!

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    • so this is how Jack gets charters everywhere, by just walking around and validating nothing. Excellent Quality control video for Lillian, Jack and gang:

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  2. kilroysdelaware

    https://kilroysdelaware.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/newark-charter-de-doe-prelim-reports-and-minutes/
    The meeting on the 7th is for the public to weigh in and nothing will change the committee’s mind who voted before the public meeting to go forward. The final vote goes to the state board who are hand picked puppets of the governor just as the Sec of Ed.

    “This post feels like bullying to me – Leave NCS alone and concentrate your energies to correcting CSD schools!”

    Do you live in China?? I support charter schools but not the some of the laws within. The education bully is Jack Markell!

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    • LOL you tell ’em Kilroy. I wish this was actually a laughing matter. It is an INSULT and it is blatant corruption of the first order. And as you so often point out, it is a collusion between the two major parties.

      There is no recourse for the regular people unless we start to get really mad and really organized. Glad to see the letters in the paper this morning. Go ladies!

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  3. kilroysdelaware

    FYI there are state tax dollars not just local tax dollars going to all charter schools so those who don’t have kids attending NCS do pay taxes.

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  4. Coolspringer

    It seems the lesson of the day/week/month/year/decade is that public input doesn’t matter (yes charter & suburban parents, this does/will include you), and voila’ what needs to change.

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    • Parents in traditional public schools and charters are only in charge when what they want for their school is what the district/charter board wants for their school.

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  5. NCS IS a public school, NCS parents pay taxes and so tax money SHOULD go to NCS (& personally I think they should be getting more tax money than they do, they should get the same monies that the other Elementary & Middle schools are getting) – I don’t have kids going to Glasgow or NHS but my tax money goes there – My neighbors choiced their kids to NHS but did not get accepted – does this mean NHS should also not get tax payers money because it is not open to everyone who applies for a place?

    Again – people opposing the NCS expansion should put their time & energy into fixing CSD. NCS works because Mr. Meece is a great leader AND because the parents of the children attending NCS put their time to positively making a difference.

    Stop attacking an institution that has proven it works and start fixing the real issue.

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  6. School taxes are not tuition fees earmarked for the private good of your child. They are for the public good, no matter where your child goes to school, or whether you even have children at all. This is the fundamental error of “the money follows the student.”

    The charter law is simply a smokescreen to create semi-private schools under cover of the public school system. Charter schools will never be public schools, no matter how much public money they take.

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  7. In fact, charter schools are a perfect example of the a href=”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority”>tyranny of the majority.

    The argument for charter schools is that they benefit those who attend them. But every indication is that charters, when they are successful, are successful at the expense of schools and students who do not attend the charters.

    But overall, the charter movement will satisfy enough parents that the charter law will retain a majority of public support, won at the expense of those families left behind.

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    • A friend just told me that his wife works at Thurgood Marshall which was testing with excellence – very highly rated.

      But when NCS opened, all the top kids left the public school for the charter along with the most active parents and it really hurt the public school.

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    • Tell them they can thank gauger, kirk & shue middle schools for that. But of course we can’t blame them. I wish I could blame my failures at work on somebody else all of the time. Thurogood is a great school, too bad the kids couldn’t have stayed there.

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    • So mike o, in a nutshell,why should csd retain money when they incur no expense in educating charter kids? Do you even know the history of csd and their expertise in handling public funds? You cant even get more than 2 people on here proclaim the positives of the csd schools! Are you all just so busy beating up ncs that you can’t promote your school? I don’t need a philosophy or sociology lesson, obviously im lost in the evil of my charter ways, but an actual financial reason its better csd has this money.

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  8. I really appreciate that kilroy has given us all a place to voice our opinions.

    I am truly saddened though that all this energy cannot be used to fix the school districts. If the school districts were great there would have never been a need for NCS – 10 years in and the school districts are worse than ever. This is not any Charter schools fault. I would love to see the DSEA sending robo-calls out for everyone to make a stand against the failing schools, and parents demanding a change within the districts rather than people attacking NCS and Greg Meece.

    Don’tDestroyChristina has blogged another vicious and personal attack on Greg Meece – http://dontdestroychristina.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/why-would-anyone-send-their-kids-to-a-school-run-with-such-smug-apparently-unqualified-leadership/

    “It’s a shame you can’t turn all this negative energy into positive and fix the real problem – CSD schools.
    Your constant attacks on Mr. Meece are disgusting and do you no service – They make you look petty and jealous and discredit any argument you have.

    The fact is NCS works, parents should be demanding that CSD take a look at what makes NCS work and follow suit.

    As I said, I’m truly saddened by the nastiness of a few. My wish would be to turn that negative energy into positive actions in making CSD a place where people want to send their children.

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    • Retrogirl – If you care so deeply for Christina’s schools, I hope that means we’ll be seeing you at the committee level helping to improve the district. Can we put you down for Code of Conduct or would you like join Strategic Planning or Facilities?

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    • Sturgis – I’ll be there when all the NCS haters and attackers also turn up to try and fix the failing school districts rather than just continually attack Greg Meece & NCS – Thanks for the invite 🙂

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    • dontdestroychristina

      Retrogirl,

      Greg is a big boy and has to own his words and deeds, so does Jack. They are smug bullies, both of them and you are just a pathetic follower.

      The sahme is on you, not me, in bringing his megalomaniacal persona to the cold hard truth of my excellen,t hard hitting, Delaware online, cited BLOG!

      DDC in the house!

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    • David Wisor

      Kilroy, thank you for the opportunity to have this open discussion on your board.

      DDC, I understand your position. I disagree, but I understand it. So why is it that everyone who doesn’t agree with you is either a lemming, a racist, an elitist, an idiot or some combination of the above? You’ve called “Greg” and “Jack” smug bullies. I submit to you and the members of this posting board, that you are a bully.

      This is especially troubling from someone who doesn’t identify themselves. As I said before, its your right to anonomity, but to attack so viciously and not be willing to stand up for what you believe in, is just unfortunate (hiding behind a curtain is not standing up). Now, I really don’t care who you are, but it’s just unfortunate that you can hide like a sniper and take pockshots.

      And I’ve read your responses to Greg’s interviews, you tear him apart, and he can’t win-and I don’t even mean the argument-some of the arguments you make aren’t even salient. For example, Greg says in an interview that he knows there are easier jobs than his, and you attack. What on Earth does that have to do with whether or not there should be a charter school in Newark? I’m sure there are easier jobs than yours-should we close down Christina School District?

      Now, no doubt you’ll either attack me or ignore me-either is alright with me.

      One last thing-I really believe all these posts have become irrelevant, both sides. Only because both sides are truly intransigent, and quite frankly, this isn’t the place to negotiate a compromise anyway. So I may monitor this for a while until my adult ADD kicks in. But after I finish this email, I’m going to contact Mr. Bedford, the principal of Newark High School and ask him what I can do with my time, energy, ideas and money to help make Newark High School a better school, and I’m going to do my best to do whatever he says to make it better. Because as I said in my original post, I want it to be a better school,

      Please don’t suggest I make it better by fighting the expansion of the charter.

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    • Bravo, David. Bravo, good sir. Well said.

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    • Is it just me, or does the dontdestroychristina character really appear to be a satire of a laughable, self-important blogger. If so, well played, dds, well played indeed!

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    • dontdestroychristina

      You make it better by fighting the expansion on moral and ethical grounds. I am sorry the social and restorative justice appeals aren’t working on you.

      May be a symptom of a bigger problem for you and Newark Dad of course, a lemming in training he is.

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  9. Newarkmom – Districts do incur expenses related to charter schools. Charter schools are cropping up in new or newly retrofitted buildings and pulling students from older buildings. Enrollment in these older buildings decreases when parents choose charters. Yet, the expenses of running those buildings (electricity, water, sewer, running cafeterias, etc.) remain with those buildings. Those bills still have to be paid. This is part of the reason that school districts are permitted to take exemptions in the funding formula for charters. Legislators were cognizant of these expenses when passing charter school regulations. When the charter experiment began, potential charter operators were required to take a hit in order to have the freedom to spend funding as they saw fit. Traditional schools do not have that luxury.

    Now that the experiment seems to be coming to an end, we need to view charters through a new lens – Successful operators and school district should be required to work jointly to improve all student achievement. Charters like NCS should be compelled to take over failing district schools to implement their successful model. When a charter operator takes over a district school, the district should be required to send all funding to the new charter – no exemptions.

    This is the logical next step in determining whether or not charter schools actually improve education outcomes for all children.

    The results will speak for themselves.

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    • sturgis – you have no idea how much I love your comment. Charters who have become successful should now prove their success by reunifying with the students who were previously excluded. And state money must come attached to state rules.

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    • “Any failure at that school will belong to the charter operator and not the district. Success works the same way.” You sound like you are talking about a basketball game!! Failure or success belongs to the children whose lives are affected. Tell my nephew who dropped out of school in 10th grade that it was the failure of the school, his single parent home (dad), or the system itself. Do you think he cares who is to blame? To him, it was his failure. To me, it was the failure of our f***ed up public school system. He was passed grade through grade, never learning to read past a 4th grade reading level. You can cry creaming of charter schools all you want. Fact is, if my nephew was in a charter school,which he could have been had his name gotten picked in a lottery, this never would have happened to him. The teachers there would have called him out on it. They would have called his dad out on it. They wouldn’t have let him slip through the system. His dad did not know the extent of his problems because he kept getting passed through to the next grade. So stay on your equality rage,and blame charter schools all you want, but the truth is, the public school system in our state needs major reform, we are failing our most precious asset. I have a child who has always struggled in school. I was scared to death to send him to a school who might slip him through, grade by grade. I would have home schooled him if he did not, by luck of the draw, get into NCS. Just by pick of the lottery, his educational life was spared.. and saved, unlike my nephew.

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    • And enrollment decreases when kids leave for charters too. Close the empty schools, consolidate resources. And can someone tell me how a charter just takes over a failing school? Still can’t get this actual answer, only theroy. Does the charter march in one day and plant their flag? I saw the law on here..it takes an effort first from the school. How does the failure of a district school become the fault of the sucessful charter?

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    • newarkmom:

      1) Closing those empty schools didn’t work. When DE Sec.of Education, Lillian Lowery, was the Christina Superintendent she attempted to close and consolidate schools in the city due to decreasing enrollment. The city sued the district and won in court. Those schools all remain open today despite low enrollment and the cost to operate those buildings continue to rise.

      2) Can you imagine the fight that would occur if CSD attempted to close and/or consolidate Downes, West Park, McVey, or Maclary Elementary schools to address the student loss to NCS? Those schools sit smack dab in the middle of someone’s neighborhood. Shuttered schools would obliterate Newark property values. This is what you are advocating.

      3) Yes, under current charter law school staff and parents must vote to charter. However, there is nothing that prevents us from lobbying legislators to compel districts and charters to work together. The incentive in this scenario is that the Charter operator gets full funding for the school they take over. The incentive to the district is that they know they are providing the newly effected students with a proven-effective educational model. Any failure at that school will belong to the charter operator and not the district. Success works the same way.

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    • dontdestroychristina

      sturgis,

      did you even read her post? She can’t be reasoned with.

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    • Sturgis..i do see what you are saying about shuttered up schools, that was almost a reality years ago when west park almost closed to consolidate with downes..and that was before ncs elem. Not an easy decision., . I also like the idea of a charters and districts working together and would love to see some of what works for us in another school. Despite the warning, I can be reasonable when dealing with a reasonable person! 🙂 thanks

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    • dontdestroychristina

      then why do you run from the truth?

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    • YOUR truth? I don’t think so, and not necessarily because we are on opposite ends of this discussion. I have been a part of some rational discussions on here with posters who don’t share my view. Great, informative discussions. You are unable to have such a discussion because you are a bully who is under the impression that the best way to get your point across is to rant and degrade. (think Rush Limbaugh) You will only attract other radical bullies; I would think that any rational person who opposes the expansion is finding it difficult to align with you. I would because you would not be the “voice” of my side. You do provide an entertainment value, which is why I suspect kilroy keeps you around, and why I suspect your blog is just a parody. I am sure Greg Meece is not one bit worried about your opinion of him, he’s a grown man who has faced opposition much more knowledgeable than you. Now, go take that positive attitude and inspire some children! 🙂

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  10. So newarkmom, it’s not enough for you that your child was selected to attend an exclusive school – you want to defund the traditional schools as well? You might want to reconsider getting some knowledge of sociology and philosophy. You are more than a supportive parent – you are a soldier in the war on public education. Is that the attitude you want to bring to your charter school?

    Charters will always owe their success to the families who do not make it into the charters – whether they are too uninformed, too unmotivated, too low-income, or weren’t brought up themselves to value education. Children of those families are paying a high price for your charter success.

    I find in this thread at least, charter supporters do not have sufficient humility in regard to their exclusive position. It is unbecoming for charter parents to look down on families who for whatever reason are not charter participants. You owe them big time.

    I think, for charters that have requirements for volunteer service, that volunteer service should consist exclusively of tutoring and supporting students who didn’t make it into the charter.

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    • Still didn’t answer my question. How am I defunding a district that has no expense in educating my child? Yes, I am a soldier in the war to make sure my special ed kid gets the best education she can by law….but according to you she is not entitled to a public education. You have no idea of my financial status or place in community. I hope your outrage and moral superioity of me spurs you to become a advocate and not just a judge. I would be happy to volunteer in the district schools, as a matter of fact, ill be doing just that next year when my eldest goes back to the district high school, yes that’s right, ..but can we expect district parents to do the same?

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    • and, Mike, by the way, I take it you are against bullying? Here is a good tip (and I think better than a video-tape in the hallway). Newark Charter has the teachers stand in the halls during class change. Kids see an adult every few feet watching them. Helps stop bullying. An easy thing that any school can do. Oh wait, our Stepford children would all be angels even if no one was standing in the hallway, right?

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  11. “I find in this thread at least, charter supporters do not have sufficient humility in regard to their exclusive position. It is unbecoming for charter parents to look down on families who for whatever reason are not charter participants. You owe them big time.”. WOW. You calling charter school parents arrogant shows YOUR character. You and others, like, Sturgis, stereotyping people. How do you know what anyone one here does in or with their lives other than sending their kids to a charter school? I am still waiting on stats, or demeening comments about charter parents, whichever you come up with first, from anyone on here who has them on the number of families who choose to choice their middle school kid out of CSD and into Conrad and Cab. And stats on families who lie about where they live, using their grandmoms address because she lives in Appo. dist. And stats on famiies who just chose to not apply to NCS. Wouldn’t that affect the stats listed all over the place on here?

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    • I probably overstated my point but I don’t withdraw it. The charter law satisfies the desire of parents to separate themselves and their children from certain other students and families. True, parents’ decision to send their child to a charter is generally benign and based on the best interest of the child – of course! But the advantages of the charter school depend on the kids who are excluded, by whatever method.

      If charters are not exclusive, why are there application forms? Why not assign every eligible student a lottery number, like a draft, and send them an invitation? The answer is – because the application form automatically enforces the exclusion of students whose families are too uninformed, too low-income, or to unmotivated to follow through on the application process. That is what makes charters work. And this is also why charter schools are not public schools.

      The true test of charter success is to admit all those students previously excluded. When charters are successfully educating, or at least trying to educate every student then I will be a convert. Until then I am opposed to turning our traditional public schools into dumping grounds for the unlucky.

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    • “The charter law satisfies the desire of parents to separate themselves and their children from certain other students and families.” Did you overstate again?? I am completely insulted by that remark. I did not know the stats of any of those schools before reading them on here. Long after all of my children were pulled from CSD schools. I almost sent my kid to one of the high schools. I went for the application, hey, because no one sent me one, had to do it all by myself. Anyway, the behaviors I witnessed from the students, without any adult seeming to give a shit, was what turned me away. The vice principal was standing right there. It had nothing to do with the kids.

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    • Believe it or not mike, not everybody wants to go to this school. This is free will..not forced choice. I personally would not choose a new untested charter until it proved its sucess and viability. If you assume that low income people do not have ability to fill out a form, how do you explain the migration in my newark area of minority/low income to kumba and moyer charter schools. Was it free will and choice? Did someone fill out apps to these school and force this decision. A charter is a choice. Do you think dontdestroychristina and gang would want her kids in a school run by mr. Meece? Doesnt seem likely.

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    • ProudNCSParent

      “If charters are not exclusive, why are there application forms? Why not assign every eligible student a lottery number, like a draft, and send them an invitation? The answer is – because the application form automatically enforces the exclusion of students whose families are too uninformed, too low-income, or to unmotivated to follow through on the application process. That is what makes charters work. And this is also why charter schools are not public schools.”

      Mike, what makes charters work is parents who CARE. Who care enough to pick up an application and fill it out with basic information to give their children a shot at a better education. There is no test, no application fee, no background check or credit score assessment. All that is required of a parent to enter their child into the lottery is a simple name, address, etc. If a parent is “too uninformed, or too unmotivated” to complete that simple task, then yes, perhaps they don’t belong at Newark Charter, because lack of parental involvement is the single most reason why public schools are failing today. Now we are blaming NCS for parents who are too lazy to apply? Come on. The low income issue, that is up to the parents to decide if it deters their child from attending NCS, but I don’t recall NCS asking for my family’s income statistics on the application.

      And I, personally, am extremely humbled by the fact that my daughter gets to attend this fantastic school. We are grateful daily and truly believe we won the “lottery”. My two nephews have both applied, whose two families have the same, if not higher, household income as my family, are equally as intelligent as my daughter, come from similar neighborhoods within the 5 mile radius, and were not chosen in the lottery, or “cherry-picked” as some seem to think is how it works.

      I wish that there were better options for students in this area besides just NCS. I wish that NCS could offer more seats, and the high school expansion allows for that at every grade level. I think that if NCS’s opposition wants to throw their weight behind something, it should be the improvement of the local school districts, rather than beating down a successful program and trying to impede it’s expansion.

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    • The success or failure of a school is directly related to the quality of the parents. I don’t want my child going to a school filled with children of disinterested, unmotivated or purposely ignorant parents. The children are lovely, I’m sure, but the lack of support from their parents mean they generally are a disruptive influence on the other children who have parents that care.

      I am in favor of testing the parents and basing admission to any school on the scores the parents receive.

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  12. Whyaren’t there comments on this blog about Mr. Lewis from Pencader being in the news for using bad language and other behavior toward a student. It was on ABC News last night. This blog seems to be very supportive of certain charter schools & very against others. DOE members and Pencader’s board president were notified about similar Lewis behavior last year and did nothing. These students have a good law suit against him and the DOE and Pencader’s board of directors that did not take any action when this was brought to their attention over a year ago.

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  13. “the behaviors I witnessed from the students, without any adult seeming to give a shit, was what turned me away. ”

    What behaviors exactly? Are you sure this isn’t a cultural issue?

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    • cursing in the office. If I had an issue with other cultures as you are implying, my kid wouldn’t go to Pencader. That same kid who was curing in the office, would more than likely not have acted that way in a school that forbid cursing! Didn’t seem to be a rule there. Does that make me a snob? Do you think it is ok for kids to curse in school, without anyone batting an eye? I realize that is one incident. I had already been told many many stories from kids and parents. I also saw a parent cry at Pencader thinking her child, who had been bullied at another school constantly, might have to go back. Her child had already been at Pencader for a year. Other students had taken her under their wing. I think, for the most part, that kids live up to the expectations and rules that are set before them. I did say for the most part mind you. (not the best day for promoting Pencader, we will see what happens there, in case you noticed ”wonderings’ post). Could leave us with one less choice! This leaves me with knots in my stomach, good for my diet, not for my heart. I really do not like the comments about charter parents not caring about other kids. We all live in this community together. I have neighbors and nieces and nephews and friends in all schools. I do not like being told I do not care about them. It actually disgusts me. I do not like things that happen, like my nephew dropping out of school in 10th grade because he was embarrassed that he read at a 4th grade level and could no longer slip through the cracks, as he did all the way through our public school system and being raised by a single dad who did not know how far behind his son was because he kept getting passed to the next grade. That never should happen.

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    • JohnQresident

      Mike,
      Rude behavior, foul language, insulting gestures, lack of common courtesies are universal in nature and display a lack of discipline, manners, and otherwise COMMON knowledge. To even begin to attempt to explain these away as “cultural” is an acknowledgement that the divisions the opponents claim alternative schools create are the very reason parents are seeking alternatives. If all kids, parents, etc were the same and behaved the same there would be no need for some of the alternatives. They are not. Some children are more apt to be artistic, some more mechanical problem solvers, some entertaining, some athletic and some more intellectural.This isn’t looking down on someone or a lack of humility. WE ARE AMERICANS FIRST, not some racial, cultural or religous group but we do have different priorities, different gifts and different morays which sometimes don’t mesh. To express that bad or rude behavior is acceptable because it is cultural just doesn’t hold water. The acceptance or lack of awareness of rude behavior is paramount to why many of our public schools are failing and why parents who ARE aware of it and DON’T want to accept it are seeking alternatives.

      The real burden of failing schools cannot be put upon the Alternative Schools. The Public Schools have been supported with enormous amounts of patience and financial support. They however, have been manipulated by political motives which do not have the best interests of ALL students. Some motives are inappropriately “politically correct”, some are financial somersaults to redistribute tax revenues. Even upon this blog, many have touted that the lower economic and minorities have not been duly served by the educational system. Projecting these issues and blame on Altenative schools is denying the much more accurate problem that the acceptance or enabling of poor behavior, poor student accountability and poor academic performance is a social problem.(“poor-meaning bad, NOT economic) One the public schools have been unduly burdened by and forced to remedially attempt to address.

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  14. Link to ABC news broadcast about Pencader
    http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8569859

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