No college handouts to illegal aliens in Delaware!

Legality of tuition benefits for illegal immigrants debated Written by WADE MALCOLM The News Journal

The concerns raised by some legislators and higher education leaders stem from suits brought against similar laws in other states. Opponents to such legislation claim federal law forbids offering tuition benefits to students without legal residency.

Delaware’s version of the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors (known as the DREAM Act) is scheduled for hearing April 25 before the Senate Education Committee. The University of Delaware and Delaware Technical Community College already offer in-state tuition rates for undocumented students who meet certain qualifications.

I’ve made some recent posts on this topic:

Manolakos questions colleagues legislation that violates federal immigration laws

Delaware’s education Dream Act of children of illegal immigrants

My position remains the same, I oppose this legislation to allow illegal aliens instate tuition. Also, I oppose illegal aliens access to SEED and Inspire Scholarship. Did you know SEED and Inspire pays for what federal education grants don’t and all students applying for SEED and Inspire “must” apply for federal assistance first! You can’t apply for federal assistance without a Social Security Card. So what that means, illegals will get 100% of SEED or Inspire. Students from surrounding states who are American citizens are required to pay out of state tuition. I feel for these illegals whose parents brought them across the borders but there is a way to becomes a legal American. Join the military.

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  1. “Students from surrounding states who are American citizens are required to pay out of state tuition.” Yes, but those students have access to in-state schools with in-state tuition rates. These children of illegal immigrants, students who have established a solid educational track record as Delaware students, deserve the same access to higher education.

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  2. @ Kilroy – How can you advocate for fair and equal public education for ALL kids in Delaware on the one hand but not support legislation that attempts to offer this to children of illegals? Aren’t these kids just as much victims of circumstance as low-income kids?

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  3. Can’t find the link at the moment, but illegals are a net win for the state. They pay far more into the system than the services they use.

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  4. On another topic – breaking news
    Gates foundation severs relationship with the American Legislative Exchange Council – ALEC – over boycott pressure from progressive groups.

    Suburban Guerrilla http://susiemadrak.com/2012/04/10/gates-foundation-to-cut-alec-funding/

    The Gates Foundation said it supported ALEC on issues regarding “teacher effectiveness and school finance.”
    Lee Fang reports the funding could potentially have benefited “Microsoft as privatized charters adopt more technology in the classroom.”
    Progressive Change Campaign Committee and Color of Change, among others, had targeted the Gates Foundation for giving more than $375,000 to ALEC over the past two years. PCCC garnered more than 28,000 signatures in a matter of hours.

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  5. @kilroy: Did you know SEED and Inspire pays for what federal education grants don’t and all students applying for SEED and Inspire “must” apply for federal assistance first! You can’t apply for federal assistance without a Social Security Card. So what that means, illegals will get 100% of SEED or Inspire.

    With respect to Inspire this statement sounds like undocumented students will suck the life out of the program. Not hardly. The max award per year under Inspire is $3,000. In order to qualify, the students must be DE high school graduates with at least a 2.75 GPA.

    According to what few statistics I can find (and they are difficult to come by) this might have amounted to six students last year. Assuming that they all applied for Inspire, that means that DSU would have allocated $18,000 out of a $750,000 fund, or roughly 2.4% of the total. Since its inception DSU has yet to award over 90% of the allocated funds, so these students wouldn’t actually have deprived in-state DSU students of a single penny in benefits.

    When you stop and consider the odds against the child of undocumened workers finishing a DE high school with above a 2.75 and having the rest of the resources to go to college, because, as you suggest, they cannot get FAFSA assistance, the thought that our state (which has millions to piss away on Fisker and data coaches and the like) could not afford $3,000 per student for minority kids with that kind of grit, talent, and determination is ridiculous.

    And those kids will have to manage to work and come up with the other $8-12,000 per year it would cost even at in-state rates to pay the freight at DSU. We certainly are not talking about moochers here.

    **As two notes about FAFSA: (1) the application process says you must “submit” FAFSA. Doing so qualifies for the scholarship under the law, whether your application is processed or not (for lack of a social security number); (2) there are legal challenges working their way up in two district courts allowing undocumented workers with TINs [Taxpayer Identification Numbers] to use that number on the FAFSA. The requirement for an SSN on that document is probably unconstitutional.

    Face it, Kilroy: the children of undocumented workers should no more be discriminated against than the children of poor people whose parents are in jail, or who lack the skills or means to advocate for them–you know, those children you champion every day?

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  6. They have access…and they should pay the out-of-state rate. Again, I have employees who don’t have access, because wait list is too long, so head over to Cecil County, and Salem County for school–and they are paying out-of-state rate.

    Why would you continue to “sweeten the pot” for undocumented behavior? When do you think would be a good idea and the right time to hold them accountable and responsible for their status? I do feel a moral imperative as children to school them–they are adults now–do the adult thing–pay as it’s stated.

    If the universities have been using donation monies to fund these students, then problem solved. Those donors gave there as targeted. Why should the state underwrite enabling legislation as dessert to the undocumented existence and grand finale of benefits received here? Just wait till they write or call home!!!

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  7. Delaware is getting screwed by the News Journal reporting on ed. reform. They aren’t telling the whole story. Imagine THAT.

    The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation greed agenda EXPOSED – they intended for Microsoft to profit from education reform. This is what we have been pointing out and the News Journal refuses to report about where Jack Markell, Arne Duncan, Lillian Lowery and Barack Obama are concerned.

    http://www.republicreport.org/2012/breaking-bill-gates-foundation-withdraws-support-for-alec/

    Why did the foundation fund ALEC in the first place? It’s likely the group gave funds to ALEC as part of a larger effort by Microsoft-linked groups to promote K-12 virtual schools, a movement that is likely to benefit Microsoft as privatized charters adopt more technology in the classroom.

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  8. http://www.thenation.com/article/164651/how-online-learning-companies-bought-americas-schools?page=full

    How Online Learning Companies Bought America’s Schools
    Lee Fang
    f the national movement to “reform” public education through vouchers, charters and privatization has a laboratory, it is Florida. It was one of the first states to undertake a program of “virtual schools”—charters operated online, with teachers instructing students over the Internet—as well as one of the first to use vouchers to channel taxpayer money to charter schools run by for-profits.

    But as recently as last year, the radical change envisioned by school reformers still seemed far off, even there. With some of the movement’s cherished ideas on the table, Florida Republicans, once known for championing extreme education laws, seemed to recoil from the fight. SB 2262, a bill to allow the creation of private virtual charters, vastly expanding the Florida Virtual School program, languished and died in committee. Charlie Crist, then the Republican governor, vetoed a bill to eliminate teacher tenure. The move, seen as a political offering to the teachers unions, disheartened privatization reform advocates. At one point, the GOP’s budget proposal even suggested a cut for state aid going to virtual school programs.

    Lamenting this series of defeats, Patricia Levesque, a top adviser to former Governor Jeb Bush, spoke to fellow reformers at a retreat in October 2010. Levesque noted that reform efforts had failed because the opposition had time to organize. Next year, Levesque advised, reformers should “spread” the unions thin “by playing offense” with decoy legislation. Levesque said she planned to sponsor a series of statewide reforms, like allowing taxpayer dollars to go to religious schools by overturning the so-called Blaine Amendment, “even if it doesn’t pass…to keep them busy on that front.” She also advised paycheck protection, a unionbusting scheme, as well as a state-provided insurance program to encourage teachers to leave the union and a transparency law to force teachers unions to show additional information to the public. Needling the labor unions with all these bills, Levesque said, allows certain charter bills to fly “under the radar.”
    If Levesque’s blunt advice sounds like that of a veteran lobbyist, that’s because she is one. Levesque runs a Tallahassee-based firm called Meridian Strategies LLC, which lobbies on behalf of a number of education-technology companies. She is a leader of a coalition of government officials, academics and virtual school sector companies pushing new education laws that could benefit them.

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  9. and finally
    Levesque’s ask has become reality. According to author Steven Brill, ex–DC school chancellor Michelle Rhee’s new group, StudentsFirst, raised $100 million within a few months of Levesque’s remarks. Rhee’s donors include Rupert Murdoch, philanthropist Eli Broad and Home Depot founder Ken Langone. Rhee’s group has pledged to spend more than $1 billion to bring for-profit schools, including virtual education, to the entire country by electing reform-friendly candidates and hiring top-notch state lobbyists.

    A day before he opened his education reform conference to the media recently, Bush hosted another education meeting. This event, a private affair in the Palace Hotel, was a reconvening of investors and strategists to plan the next leg of the privatization campaign. Michael Moe, Susan Patrick, Tom Vander Ark and other major players were invited. I waited outside the event, trying to get what information I could. I asked Mayor Fenty how I could get in. “Just crash in, come on in,” he laughed, adding, “so what company are you with?” When he learned that I was a reporter, he shook his head. “Oh, nah, you’re not welcome, then.”

    An invitation had billed the exclusive gathering as a chance for “philanthropists and venture capitalists” to figure out how to “leverage each other’s strengths”—a concise way to describe how for-profit virtual school companies are using philanthropy as a Trojan horse.

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  10. @Joanne Again, I have employees who don’t have access, because wait list is too long, so head over to Cecil County, and Salem County for school–and they are paying out-of-state rate.

    Not likely that this is the case for Inspire–those employees would have to have been recent HS grads with a 2.75 who meet DSU entrance standards. We have yet to max out the possible Inspire funds, so either they don’t meet the standards or they clearly haven’t applied.

    What “wait list” are you referring to? Del Tech, DSU, what?

    When do you think would be a good idea and the right time to hold them accountable and responsible for their status?

    When is a good time to hold poor children accountable and responsible for their status?

    I do feel a moral imperative as children to school them–they are adults now–do the adult thing–pay as it’s stated.

    To school them for what purpose? To continue in poverty so that we can use more social services on their children?

    Again, somebody actually show me any data on how many students you believe will qualify for these programs? if you believe that DE high schools are filled with honor roll illegals, please pony up to the bar with proof.

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  11. Face it, Kilroy: the children of undocumented workers should no more be discriminated against than the children of poor people whose parents are in jail, or who lack the skills or means to advocate for them–you know, those children you champion every day?

    Exactly.

    Here’s the question: Do we believe in an educated society?

    I do. In fact, I believe our future depends on it.

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  12. @steve newton–the number stands at about 30 this past year overall who continued in their education (I can’t link–this was the research presented at my DSBA Legislative committee report out on to yea or nay this bill). Delaware School Boards voted overwhelmingly to oppose this bill w/ one exception–a UD person on the committee who said she wanted to see what higher ed’s response was to this.
    Again, these funds are a finite amount.
    Let private donations underwrite these candidates as they have been if they are seen as deserving.
    Programming slots (nursing, dental hygiene, radiology, ultrasound etc.) have limited slots at DTCC, very competitive (as they should be), resulting in multiple years wait list.
    Delaware kids can’t get a tuition break crossing county lines, but we would give a break crossing continent lines?
    Why not let deserving kids from the US then access to our SEED/Inspire money?
    And steve–c’mon–unfair–you know right well your Inspire fund monies were loaded long after kids were already set w/ college or no college plans late in the admission year–courtesy of Patty Blevins needing to get her sleep. She should have lost her seat over dissing DSU in that original boondoggle of non-acquisition of that very needed program. I screamed loud and hard for DSU to be a part of it from day one–and have record.
    The point is we expect (the State) NOTHING in return of a very well appointed illegal, and undocumented life of a now ADULT. Hey–I believe in amnesty—and the National Guard membership as terms of acceptance, and even a micro-loan payment plan….but really…trusted educational funds of a limited amount for higher education that US citizens save, dream, borrow and covet? Why not throw the whole pot of money to overall tuition rates and give everyone a break?

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  13. “Here’s the question: Do we believe in an educated society?”

    Yes Pandora I believe that! However, we have immigration laws that must be followed. These little dream laws are nothing more that paving the way for full amnesty. What next give illegals the right to vote?

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  14. Let’s devise a law that makes the illegal employers of the parents pay for tuition.

    Employers who are willling to hire illegally are the root of the problem, and are the only participants profiting from it.

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  15. Kilroy, there are only two possible scenarios…

    1. Educate the children and create a productive and educated workforce.

    2. Don’t educate the children and add to our country’s poverty.

    There isn’t another choice on the table, because there’s no realistic way to deport millions of people.

    Blocking this on principle without a concrete plan is placing ideology over reality. So… if you’re against this proposal you need to put forth another solution. And it needs to be viable. ;-)

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  16. @Joanne Why not throw the whole pot of money to overall tuition rates and give everyone a break? OK if you could actually get the State to do it for all in-State students.

    @kilroy I feel for these illegals whose parents brought them across the borders but there is a way to becomes a legal American. Join the military.

    So this is what we’ll tell graduating 17 and 18 year olds with good grades who have personally done nothing but what their parents and schools have required: “Other people in your graduating class will get tuition assistance. You, however, must volunteer to be shot at in order to attend college.”

    I have nothing against voluntary military service–I did 21 years of it, and that’s how I paid for two degrees (with my savings and the GI Bill).

    But the key word is voluntary

    And please don’t hand me that crap that we have immigration laws that must be followed. Our so-called immigration laws make the Delaware Charter School Law look like something Moses brought down the mountain carved on stone plates.

    We have immigration laws that allow anyone with sufficient wealth to literally purchase a green card and then citizenship, and entire law firms that specialize in greasing the skids for the wealthy to buy their way into the country. I have yet to see anyone going after them.

    Our immigration laws are a national disgrace, and it was the US itself that invited the massive influx of Latino farmworkers into the country with the bracerpo program.

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  17. Amen, snewton. Glad you’re on this (ditto pandora, Mike O. etc.).

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  18. “I have nothing against voluntary military service–I did 21 years of it, and that’s how I paid for two degrees (with my savings and the GI Bill)”

    Thank you for your service and defending the U.S. Constitution, Let’s support the constitution and immigration laws. Sorry you feel your country is a disgrace when it comes to protecting out borders.

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  19. ‘Employers who are willling to hire illegally are the root of the problem, and are the only participants profiting from it” – lol, good luck finding those employers, don’t you think those employees work under the table?

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  20. “good luck finding those employers”

    If the kids want to go to college, they will tell us. Just like every other college-bound kid who fills out a FAF.

    ” don’t you think those employees work under the table?”

    Not always. But if they do, that’s just more coals heaped on the employer’s head, and all the more reason to hold them accountable.

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  21. everything is heaped on employers heads. So much that it is nearly impossible to be a small business owner, unless you like working 7 days a week, 8-12 hour days. but that’s a whole ‘nother blog. :)

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  22. If your small business depends on illegal hiring, good riddance.

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  23. I agree but there are many many of them. If you care about illegal immigrants kids then I guess you have to care about their parents too. How else could they get a job? Seriously, I am not being sarcastic, can you get a job if you are illegal?

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  24. after reading all of these comments, I really have no opinion. I see both sides. My brother used to be and immigrants officer.(not sure the exact title) He said it was heartbreaking, finding and catching people. He found a different job, he said he couldn’t stand it.

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  25. There’s no blocking on principle w/o a plan. The colleges and universities say they have been using their donations to underwrite this–then fine. Keep on going. Maybe their donors would be proud. Using general state funds that were hard fought to get and keep in a state budget to help boost the route to college for citizens is another matter. College is a privilege. The notion it’s even in our state budget is a limited privilege high school kids may have a shot to collect. If those kids are so college hungry, they and the college will find a way. You of all people, snewton should know the deals cut to make a package for a student who’s an attractive applicant.
    Also, the requirement is a 2.5 GPA–I know you know that, but you keep writing 2.75. Just don’t want anyone reading to get discouraged:).
    And yes —I too believe in an educated society. We’re a society because we have rules–that people follow. And those that don’t may have consequences.

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  26. can you get a job if you are illegal?

    You’re not supposed to. That’s the point.

    The minors have done nothing wrong. I’m in favor of some sort of DREAM Act, as long as it doesn’t turn into a further inducement for illegal immigration.

    Remember, the DREAM Act is supposed to mitigate this horrible situation innocent minors find themselves in. We should not write a law that encourages more parents to place more children in the same horrible situation.

    So the DREAM Act needs to support families who are stuck in this situation, but we also need to shut down the availability of illegal jobs.

    I can’t stomach harassing or prosecuting the workers or their families. Instead, I’d rather bring accountability to the people who induced them to come here illegally – the employers. If illegal jobs were no longer so readily available, word would spread around the world.

    You speak of “businesses” but really, businesses who hire illegally are a conspiracy to commit tax evasion and labor violations.

    Voters and politicians alike tolerate and even openly promote this situation as an indispensible part of our economy, but really it is just a culture of corruption that damages labor markets and weakens our economy.

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  27. Why couldn’t you ‘stomach’ harassing the workers?

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  28. I actually think we are in agreement more than not. I see this as an inducement for more immigration too. I also think that as far as workers working under the table, they are not fault free. That’s like saying I shouldn’t keep ice cream in the freezer because it encourages my kids to eat it for breakfast. If they did that everyday, it would be their fault just as much as mine. They wouldn’t be fault free.

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  29. A modest proposal:

    Perhaps we can fund the DREAM Act and other benefits for undocumented workers by selling off the assets of illegal employers.

    That would create a virtuous circle that would support families who are here illegally, while continuously discouraging more from coming.

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  30. @kilroy Sorry you feel your country is a disgrace when it comes to protecting out borders.

    I served in part to protect free speech, but not for your right to ignore what I wrote and change the meeting.

    I DID NOT SAY my country is a disgrace for protecting its borders. I said that the immigration laws which penalize only poor illegals while providing a route via direct monetary contribution for wealthy aliens to purchase instant residence and almost instant citizenship are a disgrace.

    I stand by that statement.

    I have no problem with your disagreement, but quit trying to put words into my post that I did not write.

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  31. Gee Steve you did say this “@ Kilroy – How can you advocate for fair and equal public education for ALL kids in Delaware on the one hand but not support legislation that attempts to offer this to children of illegals? Aren’t these kids just as much victims of circumstance as low-income kids?”

    Did I miss something? I have no problem with your disagreement but quit questioning one’s integrity because they don’t extend advocacy for illegal aliens. I never said I advocate for all students in the scope of even illegals. Perhaps when a student aka illegal alien turns 18 they should apply for green card! Better yet, lets have a Dream Act that gives these students a path way to legal status and even citizenship.Delaware shouldn’t be a magnet state attracting more illegals because we’ll offer them cheaper college tuition. Perhaps we should have in-state, out-of[state and illegal levels of tuition. Delaware’s Dream Act is nothing but a Pandora’s Box that we don’t need.

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  32. Steve, what good will a college degree do an illegal when in fact they can’t legally work in the united states? Do colleges hand out U.S. Citizenship with college degrees? Fix the immigration laws not create more loopholes.

    Should an illegal with a college degree have equal access to the U.S. job market and a legal citizen? This Dream Act kind of says yes!

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  33. Friends – here’s a link that provides insight as to what qualities Leaders will need to address 21st Century Challenges…

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sustainable-business/future-leaders-sustainability-21st-century?newsfeed=true

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  34. Interesting debate to come back to after a few weeks away.

    I’m not sure why we seem to think it’s acceptable to offer benefits to “undocumented” people. I understand that it’s not necessarily moral to punish the children for the sins of the father, so to speak, but that does not mean, either, that we need to reward them. Innocent of an illegal border crossing or not, the children are not legal residents. I wonder how many rejection letters that UD sends to legal residents so they can offer a spot to an undocumented resident. Any number above 0 is unacceptable.

    Mike O says that employers who willing hire undocumented people need to be punished. They do! I agree wholeheartedly. And the undocumented worker needs a fair hearing where a court can hear their case. As a taxpayer, I will even willing carry a burden of the cost!

    Full disclosure: I am a legal immigrant. I went through the paperwork to move to the US. I am now a US citizen. And, yes, knowing that my tax money is going to support illegal immigrants gets under my skin.

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  35. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, MITT ROMNEY & UNFUNDED MANDATES.

    For many years Americans have been financially haunted by unfunded mandates, forced on them by the courts–taxed into paying for illegal aliens who managed to slip through the border or travel on an international jet with no intentions in returning to their country of birth. The most expensive payout is illegal females who are carrying a fetus within her womb, who know if they reach American soil they will get free delivery, post natal care and every conceivable extra that should be the exclusive rights of birthright and naturalized citizens.

    The fourteenth amendment has been overreached by the courts and as there is very little chance of changing the law. But the American voters can at least alter the statute, which grants only immediate citizenship to a newborn infant of where at least one family member has actual citizenship status. The “foothold” baby is probably the most expensive unfunded mandated law, which states have to pour out their pockets from U.S. taxpayers. Billions dollars could be saved from bringing commonsense to this section of the law, by passing an amendment. The majority of European nations have passed laws, which are designed to change this insane law we are held accountable too?

    I assume that Presidential contender Mitt Romney is aware that illegal immigration is causing fiscal suffering specifically to the working class Americans. Romney also better understand he needs to gain the trust of the TEA PARTY and the women voters. American citizens and legal resident females have no such escape from aggressive debt collectors, while illegal pregnant foreigners are not subject to paying their bills and walk away with no claim. That is why many hospitals in the border states of California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico have been forced to close their doors, because of unpaid fees. This is why many states are on the edge of bankruptcy, because they cannot arise from the red ink the federal government has created. Same with the children of illegal aliens by the millions that have registered, which have drained our school budgets and so teachers are forced by shortage of educational materials, to buy them for their classes.

    This is a new alliance that not just the Republicans, but disheartened Democrats, Liberals, Independents and other party members. The TEA PARTY is sustaining its growing numbers into the millions, who are frustrated with the reluctance of the main leaders in considering the illegal alien explosive growth and the costs of support.

    NumbersUSA, a non-profit organization whose dedication is to lower immigration and enforcement of immigration laws, that unless them two parties start by securing the border and have remained inert to increasingly alarmed public of their deteriorating quality of life due to sprawl, congestion, overcrowded schools, lost open spaces and increasing restrictions on their individual liberty caused by the new population explosion! Stop this travesty that is being deliberately bypassed by the Senate and House. Close all the loopholes in the law, which is pandering to the illegal alien invaders.

    To learn more about the Obama Socialist agenda, illegal alien invasion and many other social issues, the observer should go to “American Patrol” for in-depth daily articles and reports that should be assessed by all readers. On this website you will find the true facts and not lies, that is distributed by the National Liberal media. A few of today’s subjects are:

    World News daily: Obama eyes rebuilding business – in AFRICA!
    Jim Kouri, CPP — The Examiner: Lawmaker: White House bends immigration laws
    Dave Gibson — The Examiner: India now trying to dictate terms of H1B Visa program
    WJLA-TV — Washington: Usual suspects whine about deporting criminal illegal’s
    Dave Gibson — The Examiner: Deportable illegal aliens now getting free dental care
    New America Media: California immigration ballot initiative hit from left, right
    Chattanooga (Tenn.) Times Free Press: Immigrants experiencing quicker job growth than native-born Americans
    Cynthia E. Ayers — Family Security Matters: How the enemy uses political correctness to divide and conquer America
    Michelle Malkin — Family Security Matters: Don’t do business with progressive appeasers
    Kevin McGinty — Topeka Capital-Journal : Eric Holder: There’s no such thing as voter fraud…
    Punish the Politicians, Governors, Mayors and the whole mix of elected officials that are harboring foreign nationals, who have implemented Sanctuary cities ordinances, who have driven policies of Dream Acts, Chain migration and other catastrophic Comprehensive Reform packages. Even citizen voting privileges are not safe anymore, from groups like ACORN involved with voter fraud. The U.S. citizenry must step forward and adjoin with the TEA PARTY “THE PEOPLE’S PARTY” to stop the erosion of legal rights, which are being reduced by this administration. Both parties have abused immigration enforcement, by neglecting the fence and the incompetence of acknowledging that ID theft is out of control, that every foreign worker is committing a felony by using U.S. victim’s Social security number and identity in the majority of cases. The illegal alien occupation are racking up over a $100 Billion dollars a year, with no end in sight. Additionally, illegal foreign workers are estimated to wire over $40 Billion dollars annually outside this country to foreign banks.

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